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No bang with S&B ammo

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by rtba, Feb 17, 2013.

  1. rtba

    rtba New Member

    Nov 7, 2012
    I got some S&B 9mm ball ammo for my SIG P226. Options are limited of late, but this seemed to be not the worst I could have gotten. But I had five out of the first box fail to fire during my last trip to the range! Two of them fired on the second try, but not the other three. I've heard S&B has hard primers, but I didn't expect this. Anyone else experienced this? Anything that can be done to help? Everything else I've tried has worked flawlessly, but this was the first time I've tried European ammo. I suppose I could try replacing the firing pin spring!?
  2. GLOOB

    GLOOB Mentor

    Sep 16, 2007
    I have only one experience with S&B. Back when 380 was scarce a few years ago, LGS finally got a shipment of S&B 380 FMJ. My friend had constant feed jams, due to the bullet shape/OAL. Then had a squib and subsequent bore obstruction kB. Whoops.

    Well, check to see if it's broken, first! A broken FP spring will most certainly cause intermittent light strikes. Unload gun, cock hammer, press on the firing pin with a pencil. If it bounces back, it's fine.

    If you want to up the power, you want to replace the mainspring (hammer spring).
  3. holdencm9

    holdencm9 Participating Member

    Oct 25, 2011
    I've heard that S&B has hard primers too, but have never had a single failure to fire in my Beretta 92FS. It was my go-to range ammo for years, because it had a little more gusto than other brands. However, my friend did have one in his Glock.

    I'd say try another box of S&B, maybe you just got a particularly hard-primered box, then if you still have issues, try a stronger hammer spring.
  4. ID-shooting

    ID-shooting Active Member

    Dec 15, 2012
    Nampa, Idaho
    Ran a bunch of new stock S&B 9mm through my Sig 2022 saturday. All ran just fine.
  5. rcmodel

    rcmodel Member in memoriam

    Sep 17, 2007
    Eastern KS
    The firing pin spring on a hammer fired SIG 226 has nothing at all to do with light strikes.

    It does nothing except retract the firing pin back inside the slide after the round is fired.

    You might be talking about a mainspring / hammer spring.

    But that is unlikely too on a fairly new SIG that doesn't have half a gazillion rounds through it.

    Have you cleaned the chamber throughly with a bronze bore brush & solvent, ever??
    Have you cleaned the slide & firing pin channel with spray solvent?

    It could be a dirty chamber holding the slide out of battery far enough to cause light strikes.

    Or it could be a dirty firing pin channel slowing down the firing pin strike.

    I have shot a lot of S&B .380 and 9mm just to get the brass to reload.
    And I've never had a misfire with it.

  6. Rock185

    Rock185 Member

    Jul 8, 2005
    High Desert
    Haven't tried any S&B 9MM, but did have a negative experience with S&B .223 ammo back around 2009, when ammo was difficult to get even for PDs. Does this sound familiar? Anyway,our Rangemaster had ordered a quantity of S&B .223, because that was all he could actually get at the time for training. He told me officers had been having failures to extract and he wasn't buying anymore. Within the first magazine, the S&B failed to extract twice in the Dept. M-16 I was issued. The officer next to me had a failure to extract in his rifle immediately afterwards. The rifles were clean and lubed. We had just started qualifications, were shooting semi-auto, and the rifles were not heated up from full auto fire, etc. We could not extract the fired cases until we knocked them out with steel cleaning rods. The rifles gave no trouble with Winchester, Remington and Federal ammo. I have never personally purchased any S&B, and have no plans to unless the ammo situation gets a lot worse than it is now...ymmv

    BTW, I carried the P226 every working day for several years. I don't ever recall having a malfunction with any factory Winchester, Speer, Federal or Remington ammo, or my own reloads. I don't think it's your gun......
  7. coalbed

    coalbed New Member

    Aug 11, 2012
    Collinsville Al
    Hey thought Id jump in, I would get another pistol and try some in it. S&B is quality ammo and they actually load for Winchester and others with Winchester head stamps. Not saying they couldn't have a bad lot, any load company could. I personally have shot literally thousands of S&B rounds in many different calibers and never had any problem with any of it. In fact its usually some of the better and more accurate of what I've tried. Just my 2 cents.
  8. Steve C

    Steve C Senior Member

    Jan 5, 2006
    I have shot cases of 9mm 115gr S&B brass ammo over the years and can't remember any failures to fire. Don't own a Sig in 9mm but the ammo has fired in 5 other makes of 9mm that I do own without hiccup and never seemed to have hard primes.

    I'd suspect it is your firearm causing the light hits on the primers. Follow RC's advice regarding cleaning to eliminate possible causes of light hits by the firing pin.

    The first time I shot my Sig 220 I had similar problems with light hammer strike. After a a thorough cleaning the subsequent range trips over the last 15+ years have been event free.
  9. xjsnake

    xjsnake New Member

    Apr 27, 2011
    Nashville, TN
    I've run about 500 rounds on S&B through my bersa with zero issues. I've shot a couple boxes of 9mm in my S&W with no issues either
  10. CZguy

    CZguy Senior Member

    Mar 25, 2004
    Reread post number five. He listed all the things to check.

    S&B is good quality ammo. Ive used it for years without any problems.
  11. wojownik

    wojownik Participating Member

    May 15, 2009
    Been shooting S&B in my p226, p229, p228 and p220 for years and years. Never had an issue (except it is a bit dirtier than some). Not one issue in over 3,500 rounds of S&B 9mm, and probably 1000 in .45acp.
  12. Fremmer

    Fremmer Senior Member

    Oct 9, 2009
    I've used the 9mm and the 45 acp and never had a problem. The kimber seems to like their 45 ammo.
  13. Cokeman

    Cokeman Active Member

    Feb 23, 2007
    They used to have a red sealer around the primers on the .380 ammo. Lately the red seal isn't there. I don't know what the difference is. When I got my first box of non-red, I carried a mag full in my Kahr for a while. I went to the range and on the first shot, I pulled the trigger and click. I put that round back in the mag and it did it again. It finally fired on the 4th try. I'm glad I was shooting that 1st round at the range and not at an attacker.
  14. NYGlock

    NYGlock New Member

    Apr 24, 2012
    I had a case of S&B 9mm ammo that gave my old Taurus PT-111 problems. I found that 2-3 rounds out of every box ould not fire on the first trigger pull; they would almost all fire on the second. I sold the Taurus and bought a Glock 26 and had no problems on the remainder of the case.
  15. Carl N. Brown

    Carl N. Brown Mentor

    May 10, 2005
    Kingsport Tennessee
    I had a Grendel P10 double action only .380 pistol that ran fine with Winchester, but occasionally failed to fire on first strike with S&B .380 but would fire on second strike. Good ammo for detecting flinch at the range, I must admit, but not good for carry.

    I have shot S&B 7.62x25mm in a CZ-52 for about 8 years now with no problems. I did get a batch of Berdan-primed military PPU that occasionally failed to fire on first strike but would fire on second try. The Boxer-primed commercial PPU has been as reliable as the S&B.

    Basically, some foreign commercial and military small pistol primers are as thick as our small rifle primers. Some pistols will have problems with some ammo.

    Test ammo at the range before relying on it for carry for defense.
  16. jimbo555

    jimbo555 Participating Member

    Dec 11, 2011
    I had the same problem with s&b 9mm,won't buy anymore. The ammo looks like quality stuff but the primers are a problem for a lot of guns.
  17. railroadman

    railroadman New Member

    Sep 15, 2012
    S&B 7.62x25

    I use both a PPS 43 and a CZ52 I wish i could get more.Cases too.I can,t find any in florida.The PPS43 35 rds 4 different mags faultless.
  18. mgmorden

    mgmorden Senior Member

    May 22, 2009
    Charleston, South Carolina
    I've personally never had any issues with S&B ammo myself. Always shot well (and for rifle ammo S&B 150gr SP grouped better than any other factory ammo out of my Savage .30-06).

    That said, light strikes are somewhat rare on a hammer-fired gun too (more common on striker guns).

    Maybe you just got a bad box. With the companies churning out ammo at the pace they are QC might have slipped at some plants.
  19. heeler

    heeler Senior Member

    Dec 18, 2007
    I have fired hundreds of rounds of S&B ammo in 380,9mm,and 32ACP without one issue.
    And before the great panic and drought I ordered a bunch of it because I was getting 9mm for $9.99 a box.
    It is my preferred target practice ammo.
  20. 1KPerDay

    1KPerDay Elder

    Jan 19, 2006
    Happy Valley, UT
    Old, blue boxed S&B may be problematic. New, green and red box S&B is among the best ammo you can buy, IMO. I'd take it any day over Rem/UMC or WWB garbage. To the OP try cleaning the firing pin channel as suggested or a new mainspring.

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