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No "padded coat"...no turnstile jumping

Discussion in 'Legal' started by Graystar, Jul 29, 2005.

  1. Graystar

    Graystar Well-Known Member

  2. RevDisk

    RevDisk Well-Known Member

    Gee. How interesting. Funny how the story keeps getting more horrifying as more details as released.

    So lemme get this right. This Brazilian electrician goes to some place to fix a fire alarm. He is not dressed in any suspicious matter nor acting in a suspicious manner. He was wearing a denim jacket, which is hardly "bulky". It's near a place of interest by the police. Police (not in uniform) follow the guy for a length of time. Then pull out guns, do not identify themselves, chase the guy. He tries to take a subway and uses something like the EZ-Pass system.

    He gets pinned down by two officers, while a third fires a number of rounds into his head. I've heard five rounds, which has since jumped to eight rounds.

    Hmm... Did I miss anything?

    Because it sounds like an execution.
  3. boofus

    boofus Guest

    They left out the part where undercover officers took turns biting chunks out of his arms and legs and shocking him with tasers, then they set his house on fire, shot his wife and dog, then they put panties on his head, pulled out his fingernails, dunked his head in a bucket, gouged out his eyes, stretched him on the rack, kicked him in the nuts, boiled him in oil, flogged him, stoned him, hung him, and then shot him for no real reason at all.


    Remember the source of the article and any agenda they might have.
  4. Andrew Rothman

    Andrew Rothman Well-Known Member

    Unbiased disinterested reporter there.
  5. Graystar

    Graystar Well-Known Member

    You missed these parts...

  6. Pilgrim

    Pilgrim Well-Known Member

    This is something easily proven or disproven by photography of the scene after the shooting and his clothing held in evidence.

  7. mzmtg

    mzmtg member

    Link to photos?
  8. Andrew Rothman

    Andrew Rothman Well-Known Member

    I missed nothing. It's still the relatives saying what the Met knows.

    If there was just a press conference, don't you think the news would quote a Met officer if he said anything of the sort?
  9. GunGoBoom

    GunGoBoom member

    Right, photos which probably no one will ever see, if he was indeed wearing a jean jacket, on that 62 deg low/69 deg high weather day. Much like how the door to the Branch Davidian compound was whisked away in a government van, never to be seen again. The door that some witnesses said contained bullet holes from federal agents shot into in order to keep the massacre victims from be able to escape with their lives after the fire was set. It will certainly be interesting to see whether or not the photos ever show up, won't it? Maybe their camera malfunctioned.... maybe some boofus in the lab opened up the film and exposed it to daylight - dammit, but we're gonna fire that guy! We'll see.
  10. Lone_Gunman

    Lone_Gunman Well-Known Member

    The amazing thing to me about this story is that so many people here are trying to justify and support what the police did.

    It is amazing that so many people on a message board dedicated to civil rights are willing to trade away those rights so easily in return for a perceived sense of safety.

    The London Police have ADMITTED the mistake and ACCEPTED responsibility, yet people are still claiming they did nothing wrong. If the police themselves are saying "oops we messed up", then why is anyone else trying to say otherwise.
  11. Master Blaster

    Master Blaster Well-Known Member

    Here in the USA the police would be on trial for MURDER.

    But in the UK officers of the Queen are never wrong. SO there will be no trial, and no real investigation.

    Not at all surprising.
  12. Andrew Rothman

    Andrew Rothman Well-Known Member

    Please point to a post where anyone said or implied that.
    Please point to a post where anyone said or implied that.

    The bobbies shot the wrong guy, but that doesn't mean that his relatives are telling the truth when their account varies broadly from the accounts of witnesses.

    It is possible -- likely, even -- that the dead guy was wearing a bulky coat, ran from cops, and was NOT a terrorist.
  13. Kurush

    Kurush Well-Known Member

    Here in the USA they would have been given the Lon Horiuchi Medal of Bravery and promoted.
  14. HankB

    HankB Well-Known Member

    I just don't know the full story here, so I can't make a definitive judgement.

    But the stories I've seen all seem to be consistent in that the officers were "undercover" or "plainclothes" operatives.

    It would be enlightening to know how they went about identifying themselves as police officers, and if they did anything beyond pulling guns and screaming the Brit equivalent of "Drop, <expletive>!!

    Unarmed, my inclination would be to run from screaming men (dressed in ordinary clothes) if they were waving guns around, too, no matter what they were screaming.
  15. gc70

    gc70 Well-Known Member

    Acknowledging reality is different from trying to justify and support what the police did.

    This thread is based on the Brazilian's family's statement that the police told the family that the Brazilian was wearing a jeans jacket.

    How is it "trying to justify and support what the police did" to question the validity of the statement about the jeans jacket?

    I question the statement about the jeans jacket because it is directly at odds with multiple eyewitness accounts made immediately after the incident. For instance, this BBC article entitled "I saw Tube man shot - eyewitness" contains the following:
  16. Master Blaster

    Master Blaster Well-Known Member

    The 4 police officers who shot Amadou Diallo in 1999 (a case of mistaken identity and a misidentified weapon) were put on trial and acquited by a jury of their peers. NYC paid a 3 million dollar judgement to his family for wrongful death because they lost the civil suit.
  17. Cosmoline

    Cosmoline Well-Known Member

    Big city US cops do this kind of thing on a regular basis, only they usually miss the suspect with half their shots. And they usually don't have as good an excuse as a possible suicide bomber.

    If they had reason to fear he was about to detonate, destroying his brain is the only way to stop him.

    It now appears the man was running because he had expired papers and should not have been in the UK. All in all, probably just a tragic series of misunderstandings and panic on both sides.
  18. Crosshair

    Crosshair Well-Known Member

    OK, so are we soposed to dress in black uniforms or dark grey? I've been practicing my Sig Heil. Other than that I should be ready to go to England and be a proper subject. :barf: :barf: :barf:

    /Police screwed up, no question.
  19. DRZinn

    DRZinn Well-Known Member

    I've questioned from the beginning whether it was a "bulky" coat or if that was just puffery. Now it comes out he didn't jump the turnstile like they said. Add to that the fact that the police were not uniformed, and you've got virtually nothing left except that he lived in the same building as a suspect, had dark skin, and tried to take a train.

    Pretty slim.
  20. CentralTexas

    CentralTexas Well-Known Member

    Note: The decedent was from BRAZIL

    They grow COFFEEE in Brazil don't they, Hmmmmm
    CT :D

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