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NPR says no pro-gun person will come on the show

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by wacki, Dec 25, 2012.

  1. Curator

    Curator Well-Known Member

    Nationalized Progressive Radio--I would only agree to go on the air live. I have had several experiences where what I said (on tape) was carefully edited they then used it out of context or my actual meaning changed by using half of one statement and half on another. I worked with the local NPR on a history series which I mostly wrote only to have them "butcher" it in the editing room and air it without my seeing and approving their "minor" changes. Needless to say, the end product promoted the progressive view rather than the factually correct one. I pulled the plug on it when we were halfway through. What they did with the other half of the series was even worse.
  2. TheGloriousTachikoma

    TheGloriousTachikoma Well-Known Member

    Funny that this is exactly the same sentiment that 'they' have towards all of 'you'. You want Mr. 'Black man in the white house, praise gawd and pass the ammunition' to be the only pro-gun voice they hear? Maybe you won't change any minds but if you are really that scared of them twisting your words then maybe your arguments aren't that strong to begin with. <_<
  3. BobTheTomato

    BobTheTomato Well-Known Member

    I mostly agree about the idea of not walking into an ambush but I need to give mad props to Larry Pratt and gun owners of america. As cool and calm as he was with someone screaming at him and calling him names is exactly what we need on our side.
  4. Pilot

    Pilot Well-Known Member

    The major problem I have with NPR is that it's far left, anti-gun bias is supported by my tax dollars. Yes, I have communcated this to my elected reps.

    Why do you think I'm not doing that already?
  5. MErl

    MErl Well-Known Member

    the expressed bias and how issues are handled change on a show by show basis. The show you listed is one I've never heard of, not carried here.

  6. Hacker15E

    Hacker15E Well-Known Member

    I think the pro-firearms crowd needs to get out there and mix it up, ESPECIALLY with a biased media.

    Nothing is gained by letting one side of the argument hammer their side home over and over with little or no representation from opposing views.
  7. Ole Coot

    Ole Coot Well-Known Member

    Why should anyone? It's a NO WIN situation, kinda like asking a man if he still beats his wife.
  8. P5 Guy

    P5 Guy Well-Known Member

    If you think The Diane Rheem Show is bad take a listen to Terry Gross sometime.
  9. Hacker15E

    Hacker15E Well-Known Member

    Her interview with Paul Barrett about his Glock book was actually pretty decent.
  10. Madcap_Magician

    Madcap_Magician Well-Known Member

    I love NPR, but I admit there are several subjects about which they just come totally unglued. Guns are one of them.
  11. leadcounsel

    leadcounsel member

    I think PRO guns needs to get our rational and fact based information out there, ESPECIALLY to the left wing who listens to NPR.

    It's hard for them to attack intelligent facts. Liberals get emotional and sound stupid. But if you get up and talk about the facts of gun control, that we're no safer and in the big picture more vulnerable, etc.

    The question that NOBODY on the left wants to address is, "What next?" Let's say they get their wet dreams and get the Assault Weapons and Magazines and close all the loopholes, and murderers get "armor penetrating" hunting rifles and start sniping people. Then what? Or when they get those "easily concealable handguns" and keep killing people. Then what?
  12. hso

    hso Moderator Staff Member

    As an almost daily listener and supporter of my local public radio station I can assure you that there are many NPR listeners across the country that live outside of the major metro areas that are gun owners and are interested in having intelligent articulate RKBA advocates come on these programs and present the facts and statistics showing that advocating for RKBA is a responsible and logical stance. There are greater percentage of analytical sorts listening to NPR than probably any other radio programming.
  13. MachIVshooter

    MachIVshooter Well-Known Member

    I agree, but we first have to have those "intelligent facts". Unfortunately, our side has plenty of skewed statistics and fallible rhetoric, too. We have to tone it down, step back and be purely objective. Doing foolish things like reposting the bit that was going around citing baseball bats as racking up a higher death toll than firearms in this country (flat out lie) makes us look like ignorant hicks. It's no better than Brady using 18-20 year olds in "child" statistics or shootings involving 3 or more people being shot at (not even casualties) as "mass shootings".

    First step in the right direction is separating guns from violent crime. They claim more guns equals more crime, we claim more guns equals less crime. The truth is more or fewer firearms will have no bearing on violent crime rates one way or the other.

    Arguing from a neutral standpoint still favors the pro gun side without coming across as having an agenda. And always have compassion for the victims. As well, though it shouldn't matter, having kids of your own and/or being a victim/survivor of gun violence does lend additional gravitas to your argument.
  14. Fishslayer

    Fishslayer Well-Known Member

    It's my understanding that Paul Barrett is no friend of ours. Am I wrong?

    As for NPR, I have no clue what station it is. I tried to listen to Air America during it's thankfully brief run (know the enemy) but it was just unlistenable.

    One thing for the left. They do the out of context video/audio sound bites much better than the right. The videos put together of obama by the right generally look like they were cobbled together by third graders.
  15. Rocketmedic

    Rocketmedic Well-Known Member

    Particularly racist third-graders at that.

    Some argue that we don't live in a democracy, and in a strictly legal sense, they're right. Our media market is a democracy, though, and when one side is absent or only presents a weak argument, the other gets a free pass.

    The greatest threat to the RKBA is a composed, anti-gun speaker who can articulate good reasons to control firearms (and do it effectively). Unopposed, opposed by a right-wing extremist or opposed by only a few publicly, that agenda will be far harder to stop.
  16. mister2

    mister2 Well-Known Member

    Who did Pogo say the enemy was?

    If anyone wants to go out and spar with the NPR, Pierce Morgan or any other show host/anchor, whatever, they better be as skillful, intelligent, quick-thinking and articulate as their opponent.

    If you think simple adrenaline is going to make you jump into the discussion and win, the chances of jumping into the spare car and beating Jimmie Johnson (or your favorite NASCAR driver) fair and square would be about the same. These guys have a whole staff that do their research, have years of radio/TV experience, a polished TV production crew that will shine lights into your eyes to distract you (never thought of that, did you?) and have baited their hooks very well to make yet another classic example of what they want to portray as uneducated and irresponsible rabble.

    FANTASY: I'd invite them to come to to "my" show, at a neutral park bench, with my own camera crew, my own soundman. They can bring theirs. We both edit and present our versions to our audiences. It would be interesting to note the differences in presentation of the very same conversation.

    Am I saying we should lie down and die? Hell no! But at least get someone with the equal abilities to step up and do battle. Anything worth doing is worth doing well.
  17. Hacker15E

    Hacker15E Well-Known Member

    Didn't really comment on if Barrett was a 'friend of ours' or not -- I just said the interview with Terri Gross was actually a nice piece on firearms and his book that wasn't littered with typical leftist hysteria.
  18. Hacker15E

    Hacker15E Well-Known Member

    Completely agree.

    I think everyone should consume media that challenges their way of thinking or shows them a different world view, rather than listening to an echo chamber that only reinforces what they all ready believe.
  19. Steel Horse Rider

    Steel Horse Rider Well-Known Member

    I have been a guest for conservative causes on the local "Public" radio station many times in the past. If you are well prepared with undisputable facts, know that they are going to have you outnumbered, and that most likely there will be either a "surprise" guest or issue introduced it can be an informative time for all. Unfortunately, too often the conservative side is represented by someone who believes they can simply present logic and win or shout down the opposition which rarely works on radio. These people are playing to win and there is no sense of honor or fair play in their beings, but that does not mean they should be ignored. However, in defense of some of the people named they have a finite amount of time to commit and frankly I have never even heard of the show mentioned by the OP.
  20. hso

    hso Moderator Staff Member

    We're willful victims of group think as much any other group. Worse, we're supposed to be advocates and most of us sit around swapping empty rhetoric with each other instead of debating RKBA with others that may not share our views exactly. Even here too many simply attack someone with a different opinion instead of taking the opportunity to calmly and logically teach them the factual basis for RKBA. Instead we fail to emotionalism and sound bite rhetoric instead because we simply can't articulate why we think the way we do.

    I encourage everyone to hone their debate skills here and go out and engage in reasonable discussions with people who don't share our views perfectly.

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