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NRA 50/50 vs. Carnauba Rd

Discussion in 'Handloading and Reloading' started by Arkansas Paul, May 1, 2013.

  1. Arkansas Paul

    Arkansas Paul Well-Known Member

    Having some leading issues in 9mm with Lee Alox and 45/45/10 tumble lubing, so I'm gonna try pan lubing with either NRA 50/50 or Carnauba Red.

    I've never tried either. Which do you prefer? I know they're both well thought of. Just wondering if one is better for my application than the other.

  2. SlowFuse

    SlowFuse Well-Known Member

    Which bullet mold are you using?
  3. Arkansas Paul

    Arkansas Paul Well-Known Member

    RCBS 124 grain TC.
    I also have a 125 grain Lee RNFP.
  4. Uniquedot

    Uniquedot Well-Known Member

    The 50/50 will do better than the red at standard velocities, but if you're loading magnum pressures and velocities the red will likely do just fine.
  5. Arkansas Paul

    Arkansas Paul Well-Known Member

    Standard stuff. 3.5 grains of Bullseye and a 124 grain bullet.
    I know the 50-50 is softer and easier to pan lube with. I just didn't know if the Carbauna Red would provide any better performance.
  6. Uniquedot

    Uniquedot Well-Known Member

    You would likely get more leading with the red with those loads than you did with the liquid Alox so the 50/50 is definitely the one to use here. In fact the liquid alox should have worked just fine in that application. I think the leading is likely caused from the alloy or undersized bullets. With that load you need to use a softer alloy.
  7. Russt

    Russt Well-Known Member

    I haven't tried 50/50 but I use a version of the CR from Glen. It's his commercial grade, isn't quite as "sticky" so the boolits don't stick together near as bad when storing in a box. I shoot a Miha 359-125 in my SR9C and Hi Point carbine...just cast & sized some 45's using said lube...works great, no leading, zero, zip, nada, zilch...but I am running a .358 in the 9's.
    Just noticed you said pan lube...I tried it once but not with CR...it was a flop. Went to a Lyman 45 and haven't looked back. If you want to try a few of the Miha's sized to .358 that have been water dropped from wheel weights just send me a PM & I'll throw a handfull in a box for you to try.
    Last edited: May 1, 2013
  8. Sapper771

    Sapper771 Well-Known Member

    What load are you using ? Have you slugged your bore? What diameter are you sizing your bullets to?

    I have used Alox and 45/45/10 with decent results. Never used NRA 50/50.
    Had better luck with BAC and Carnuba Red. BAC is a bit sticky, so I usually cut it to 50/50 (BAC/Carnuba Red).
  9. Arkansas Paul

    Arkansas Paul Well-Known Member

    I was using 4 grains of Bullseye. Leading was HORRIBLE. I dropped it to 3.5 and it got better.

    Bore is .356

    I'm not sizing the bullets at all. They're dropping at .3575

    I think seating depth may be playing a part as well. I know 9mm doesn't like much jump, so I prolly need to seat a little longer. Maybe I'll try a slower powder like Unique as well and see if that has any effect.

    I'm using air dropped clip on WW lead cut about 60/40 with stick on. I figure BHN is 8-9.
  10. eam3clm@att.net

    eam3clm@att.net Well-Known Member

    The part of the barrel that leads can tell you alot about what needs to be changed. The following is based on my expierence and like always YMMV.
    *Leading towards the end of the barrel tells me that the lube is failing. I will either need more lube, or a harder lube to last the trip down the barrel.
    *Leading down the entire length of the barrel usually means that the bullet is undersized, or the pressure is too much for the alloy.
    * Leading at the throat can mean an undersized bullet or A bullet that is too hard for the pressure ( it doesent expand to make a seal)

    I have noticed when pushing a cast bullet really fast that somtimes I will get leading on only one of the barrel's lands. After researching and testing I concluded that the land that gets leaded is the one that does most of the work, and the velocity is too high.

    Alot of times seating a cast bullet will swage down the bullet. Pull a seated bullet and then measure. The lee FCD takes away any advantage of having an oversized bullet. I load a lot of cast with bullseye in 9mm and 40 s&w, with very little to no leading. I also like HP38 for cast.
    If you can provide where the leading is at and your loading routine maybe I can help a little more.
    Last edited: May 1, 2013
  11. Arkansas Paul

    Arkansas Paul Well-Known Member

    Leading is in the last inch of the barrel. I did some research and that's why I was trying to tinker with the lube.
    I'm not using a FCD, so I don't think it's swaging the boolit.
  12. mebe007

    mebe007 Well-Known Member

    I like white labels bac formula for my handguns and 45-70. I also enjoy randyrats tac-1 extreme low smoke formula. I have some carnauba red but don't use it too often
  13. eam3clm@att.net

    eam3clm@att.net Well-Known Member

    Sounds good. I tried to pan lube with carnuba red once before. I had to heat the bullets before pouring the lube in, and had to make a "cookie cutter" to get the bullet out. Just pushing from the back side would not work for me. White label will send you a couple of samples for the cost of shipping, so give it a try. You should consider his BAC lube. I have applied it with my fingers when its warm outside, but it and 50/50 can get messy when warm. Just asking, but did you try applying a few coats of the recluse mixture?
  14. A Pause for the Coz

    A Pause for the Coz Well-Known Member

    +1 for the BAC, I am pan lubing some 150 gr rifle bullets and it works surprisingly well.
    50/50 will work also just a little more sticky.

  15. 918v

    918v Well-Known Member

    I pan lube with 50/50. You will need to use a tool to pull the bullets out of the cake, as it is too soft to allow you to push them out by hand. I use needle nose pliers and grab them by the nose. They pull out easily with just a teeny mark on the nose. I like the 50/50 better than the hard lubes because the accuracy is just better. It is fantastic, in fact.

    I run 125's over 3.5grs of Bullseye at 1000 FPS from a 6" barrel. No leading. Don't size yours. You want that bullet as big as possible, as long as the round chambers fine.
  16. Arkansas Paul

    Arkansas Paul Well-Known Member

    Thanks guys.
    I will order some 50-50 from White Label this evening.
    I saw a Youtube video of Larry Potterfield from Midway pulling them out of the cake with needle nose pliers. I'll try that.
  17. USSR

    USSR Well-Known Member

    +2 for BAC.


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