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***, NRA endorsed a D for congress in my district

Discussion in 'Legal' started by orangelo, Oct 19, 2006.

  1. orangelo

    orangelo member

    After about 10 pages of dire warnings about giving control of congress and especially speaker of the house, chairman of ways and means, and judiciary committees to gun grabbers, they go on the ratings page to endorse a 'Rat???

    In Tom Delay's old district both the R and D candidates have A ratings but they highlighted the donkey.

    Won't voting for even an A rated democrat give more power to the likes of kennedy, schumer, pelosi, boxer, feinstein, kerry, and the other scum?

    Get your messages straight NRA.
  2. Helmetcase

    Helmetcase Well-Known Member

    From talking personally to the NRA powers that be around here, I gather they're actively trying to avoid the NRA = GOP only image. Especially since that's not really true any more...

    If donkeys come out pro gun...and we punish them for doing it, good luck getting others to do the same. The reality you're going to have to accept is that once in a while, like say from the Kennedy Administration to the Clinton one, yeah, once in a while Dems are going to be in power just like the Repubs are now. Fomenting pro gun sentiment in the blue party, given the inevitability of them coming to power here and there, makes sense.

    Putting all our eggs in the GOP basket is a BAD idea. If nothing else, competition from the Dems makes the GOP guys be even MORE pro gun than they might otherwise be.
  3. Nitrogen

    Nitrogen Well-Known Member

    Think about your argument for a second:

    Will a democrat that's PRO-RKBA vote for an ANTI-RKBA bill?

    Just because they are democrats doesnt make them evil. Sure, Fienstien and Kennedy and their ilk need to go, but I'm pretty sure that democrats won't let their leadership [what leadership!?] steamroller them into voting for an anti-rkba bill that they don't believe in.

    It's just this sense of individualism that has kept the democratic party out of power since '94.

    I wouldn't sweat it.
  4. orangelo

    orangelo member

    There is more to Congress than just raw vote numbers. The majority party gets to select chairmen of the major committees. A (pro-gun) bill could go into a committee and disappear never to be heard of again.

    Without a filibuster proof majority in the Senate that gas bag kennedy could stand there and bloviate all week to kill any progun bill or Originalist SCOTUS candidate that comes along.

    Even if an individual representative isn't anti-gun he could still help put grabbers like Conyers onto important committees.
  5. hso

    hso Moderator Staff Member

    The essential goal is to get members of both elected that understand that their continued "service" is dependent upon the support of gunowners.

    Turning the Democrats over to the antigun folks guarantees that we'll eventually loose again when the inevitable swing back to Democrat control comes.
  6. Finch

    Finch Well-Known Member

    The only thing I fear is the typical "vote along your party" mentality that is far top common among are elected critters. Sure, when a Democrat fills out his cute NRA survey, he may claim and even feel that gun rights are important, but when the pressure from the rest of the party comes down on him, caving is expected.

    I thinks it's great that more Dems are publicly supporting gun rights, but it's the votes the matter. Just make sure they are not apart of the Soros/Hillary clan.
  7. Joe Demko

    Joe Demko Well-Known Member

    Quite so. The R Party has been allowed to caost far too long on the "where else are they gonna go?" principle when it comes to gun owners. Other than guns, to which they pay little more than lip service, the R Party as it presently stands represents very little with which I agree. The D Party is no better. When both parties are completely clear that they have no guaranteed blocks of voters based on a single isolated issue, we'll all be the better for it.
  8. Lone_Gunman

    Lone_Gunman Well-Known Member

    I don't think the NRA will "endorse" a candidate unless they have a proven pro-gun record. They will give you a rating (A,B,C,D,F) based on how you answer their survey, but an endorsement is another matter.

    In my congressional district, the Democratic and Republican candidates are "A" Rated, but they Democrat got the endorsement because he has a proven record.
  9. FTF

    FTF member

    I'm pretty sure they are on the right track... as long as you are voting along the single issue lines like me.

    I disagree with Democrats on many fundamental issues, but as a single issue voter, I would pick a Democrap with an A rating (and not just based on the survey) over a Republican with a C or D any day of the week. The more we encourage to turn the better, IMHO. I'm done blindly trusting the GOP.
  10. gunsmith

    gunsmith member

    I will vote Dem

    fer instance, Bill Richardson D NM is far, far better then John McCain or guilianni

    it's RIFLE not REPUBLICAN association.
  11. Frog48

    Frog48 Well-Known Member

    Alot of Dems in Texas are throwbacks to the days of the "Dixiecrats" and "Yellow Dogs". Alot of southern Democrats are more conservative than northern Republicans.

    Edit: "Yellow Dogs" prefer to be called "Blue Dogs" nowadays.
  12. Norton

    Norton Well-Known Member

    I have no problems with the NRA endorsing Dems. For those of us in places like MD, having pro-2nd legislators is a necessity.

    I have a bigger problem with the fact that the NRA allows the personal grudges of their local representatives to affect the ratings and endorsements. In MD, the NRA gave a "C" rating on the website to the GOA's #1 pro-gun legislator and failed to endorse him in spite of his steadfast support for all RKBA efforts for the entire time that he's been in office.

    What they fail to mention is that this same legislator defeated the NRA rep's father for office 4 years ago and this same rep has been attacking him the entire time :banghead:
  13. Kaylee

    Kaylee Moderator

    So long as he's better than his opposition on the issue -- great! I'm glad some Ds are looking for the endorsement now. Great sign of progress.

    Now what the NRA endorses vs. what I'll vote is different. I'll take someone who's acceptable on guns but also acceptable on taxes, jihad, etc over a guy who's A++ on guns but otherwise nutsy. We have a couple of those endorsed Dems in TN to -- gotta take a look and see what all they say.
  14. mec

    mec Well-Known Member

    we have a bullet proof democrat representative here- Chet Edwards. He always gives lip service to 2A. When the assault weapons ban squeeked by Chet had been advised by the Party that he could vote against it if it had a majority. ( He did vote against the Brady thing that passed a few months before. When the time ran out, it was one or two votes short and Speaker Foley held the gavel. It was a signal to Chet and possibly one other to come to the aid of his party and he voted for the awb.

    NRA rated him either an F or a D- for a while but I notice that he is now up to a B.
  15. BobTheTomato

    BobTheTomato Well-Known Member

    I think the thing to do is no matter who is elected (assuming they get a good NRA grade) is write them and say, "I voted for you due to your NRA rating. I hope you maintain a high rating with them so I can continue to support you." Encourage others to do so. If they know voters are looking at the NRA endorsements they will want to maintain that good grade.
  16. RealGun

    RealGun Well-Known Member

    Yeah well, there are ZERO pro-gun Democratic Senators (GOA graded B or better), and don't forget it. If you think one of them is going to stand separate just on the RKBA issue, dream on. The House is far more promising with at least 13 well rated Democrats already, but consider how small a percentage that really is.
  17. ilbob

    ilbob Well-Known Member

    If a pro-gun democrat is really pro-gun, then by all means feel free to vote for him or her.

    we need pro-gun democrats in both houses. Just a few pro-gun democratic senators would make a huge difference.

    But if what we get are people that vote the party line instead of their supposed pro-gun positions, than vote for a mediocre republican every time.

    One thing you will notice about the deomcratic party. They are much better able to enforce party discipline then the republicans are. Republican legislators are much more likely to vote against the party leadership.
  18. Sistema1927

    Sistema1927 Well-Known Member

    Don't let Bill snow you. He is a soul mate of the Clintons, and a consummate politician. While I certainly don't like RINOs like McCain and Guilianni, this is one Democrat to fear.
  19. ilbob

    ilbob Well-Known Member

    One of the problems with the whole rating system is that neither the NRA nor the GOA ever says just how they come up with the scores.

    They very clearly grade on a curve that varies widely from state to state, and favors incumbents over challengers. Many candidates rated A in states like Illinois would get a B or C in free states. And incumbents appear to get about a one or two letter grade advantage over challengers. It also appears to give a lot of deference to committee chairmen.

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