NRA says Biden only interested in infringing gun rights

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OK. Here's the solution I can live with and it's based on this phrase I've been hearing and seeing for years.

"The Second Amendment is my carry permit."
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Now the solution. Everyone is issued a national carry (or 2A) permit automatically when they attain the legal age to be determined...let's say 21. The permit gets automatically reissued periodically, say every three years, upon automatic verification that no disqualifying (criminal or certain psychological) conditions have come into existence during the interim.
You want to sell a firearm, ask to see the card. No card, no sale. Background check is already guaranteed.
You don't want a firearm for carry or at all. Fine. Leave the card at home and don't use it. It's your right after all.

This would be something that can be supported by everyone. Oh except for one small thing...It's not about our rights or safety, it's about their yearning for unquestioned power and control.

And so we fight on.
 
Alaska444 said:
How did the FBI know where Cho bought his guns for the Virginia Tech Massacre if there are no permanent records. Cho filed off the serial numbers on his guns and the gun shop owner was notified by the ATF that he sold the gun?


Read more: http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1611948,00.html#ixzz2HcYCxIEg

Sorry, I truly do not believe that there are no permanent records kept anywhere.
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Well, filing off the serial numbers can be hit or miss. (Mostly miss.) It's possible for forensics to bring them back up. If they have the serial number, I'd suppose they could use that to trace which store was sold that serial number.
 
BLB68 said:
Well, filing off the serial numbers can be hit or miss. (Mostly miss.) It's possible for forensics to bring them back up. If they have the serial number, I'd suppose they could use that to trace which store was sold that serial number.
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True, but I still really doubt all of that data just disappears. Just my own speculation, but why would they give up that type of information when they go to such lengths via the "patriot act" to gain other information. If they monitor all emails and telephone calls, then do you really believe that this very involved form goes completely absent after you pass the check? Yes, they can recover numbers with forensics but a bit of computer space is easy to find to store that same information.
 
Alaska444 said:
Where in your view of the US is the Executive Order. Certainly it is NOT in the constitution but it is a fact of life. If you don't think it is going to be a very LONG 4 years, then I am not sure where you have been the last 4 years.

In addition, have you seen the 6000 new regulations Obama put into effect since the election. There are more ways to mess up this country than just through legislative action. In addition, Obama continually ignores constitutional provisions and requirements such as reporting those pending regulations or submitting a budget every year. No, I stand by my statement, it is going to be a very LONG 4 years.
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No. EO cannot ban those things.

EO's are a legal way to direct the executive branch. That's it. They do not make law.
 
I find it interesting that they'd have a meeting with an organization that was assured of telling the public about the topics discussed, themselves mention what was discussed and in the face of Senator Feinstein holding her AWBII until the 22nd.

We knew that the Biden Commission was going to recommend further restricting firearms owners. Why is anyone surprised that this is "leaked"?

As pointed out, Congress makes laws, Congress-critters vote on them, Congress-critters need to be elected every 2 or 4 years, tell your Congress-critters specifically that if they vote YES to any magazine ban, firearms ban, ammunition ban, or any restriction or regulation of any magazine, firearm or ammunition purchase, that you will dedicate your time and money to putting them out of office in their next election. Instead of bombast about spilling your blood on the barricades convince them that you'll spend your time and money personally sending them home to serve themselves if they don't serve us regardless of who runs against them in the primary or general election. REGARDLESS. We will punish them by getting as many people as possible to vote against them. We will hoste community luncheons and teas and dinners and keggers if we need to to put their opponent in their office. We will put handbills for their opponent in every door in our neighborhood and every neighborhood we can. We will talk their opponent up in every venue as if they were the smartest, the funniest, the most honest, the most hard working, the most dedicated person to ever sacrifice their time to serve the American public while we twist and defame everything the politician that votes YES to restrictions on gun owners has ever done. Make them understand that if their one and only failing in office is to make this mistake it will not save their position. They will be punished by being replaced. "Anyone but that jerk that voted for restrictions" should be repeated over and over to them. Perhaps then they'll get the message in a language they understand.
 
Alaska444 said:
You are assuming he will follow the dictates of law when I have already listed a few of the many instances where he has gone beyond the dictates of the constitution many times over.

Mark Levin: We're In A "Post-Constitutional America"

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vi..._living_in_a_post-constitutional_america.html
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No. It doesn't matter if he tries to exceed his power. It has no meaning. They are smart, they know there would be negative repercussions for going to far. They will go as far as they think they can get away with, but that's it. He can't just "ban stuff" or "confiscate" or order you to bow and kiss his feet. There are 2 other branches of government and a huge federal government that knows he isn't a king.

Would you bow and kiss his feet if he ordered it? Do you think he can enforce that order? Do you believe that a million federal employee's would treat that order as valid? That the 2 other branches of government would quietly accept it without complaint?
 
joeschmoe said:
No. It doesn't matter if he tries to exceed his power. It has no meaning. They are smart, they know there would be negative repercussions for going to far. They will go as far as they think they can get away with, but that's it. He can't just "ban stuff" or "confiscate" or order you to bow and kiss his feet. There are 2 other branches of government and a huge federal government that knows he isn't a king.

Would you bow and kiss his feet if he ordered it? Do you think he can enforce that order? Do you believe that a million federal employee's would treat that order as valid? That the 2 other branches of government would quietly accept it without complaint?
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Sorry, the history of the last four years does not bear up that allegation. Obama has again and again and again superseded constitutional restraints and yes, there has been barely a whisper from the other two branches of our government.
 
So you would bow and kiss his feet if ordered. Got it.

Can you cite any of these "superseded constitutional restraints"? Like abolishing a fundamental right?
 
google dream act

How can the president order the LE NOT to enforce a law
the dream act was shut down in congress, so he just ordered DHS and Justice to just not enforce the law.... and not a peep
 
Actually, Shadow 7D, that's basically what is being said when we say that an Executive Order can only apply to existing law, passed in Congress and signed.

His EO is simply to tell the agency exactly how to enforce existing laws. His order CAN be to look the other way, and for them to put their resources towards anything else.
 
joeschmoe said:
So you would bow and kiss his feet if ordered. Got it.

Can you cite any of these "superseded constitutional restraints"? Like abolishing a fundamental right?
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Dear Joe,

Sorry, but you are just plain pugnacious. Who said I would bow down to anyone and kiss his feet? Keep the scope of my statement in context my friend. Your comments are out of place and not based in the history of the last four years.

If you wish to think that Obama is a constitutional supporter, go for it, no sense trying to argue with you otherwise. In fact, he is the greatest scholar and supporter of the US constitution we have ever had in office, yeah, that's the ticket, he LOVES the constitution, yeah, that's the ticket, he LOVES the constitution.

In any case, have a great day and yes, it is going to be a very LONG 4 years if we are fortunate for him to give up his kingdom in only 4 years let alone his plane.
 
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RX-178 said:
Actually, Shadow 7D, that's basically what is being said when we say that an Executive Order can only apply to existing law, passed in Congress and signed.

His EO is simply to tell the agency exactly how to enforce existing laws. His order CAN be to look the other way, and for them to put their resources towards anything else.
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You have heard of creative accounting, well he can take just about any prior law and redefine it in creative ways we have yet to consider. I would not underestimate the damage he can do unilaterally to this nation. He has already placed us in great jeopardy just in his first four years where he was constrained by reelection.

Thinking that the power still remains solidly with the people is to fail to understand how fragile our current situation really is. No, we are no longer a united America, but instead split into multiple special interest groups and demographics. If you asked what is an American 50 years ago, there would be a wide consensus. Today, you will get a 100 or more answers that question. No, we are a seriously divided nation and we are reaping that politically today. The gun control debate is only a symptom of the underlying sickness in our nation.
 
Ok, here is the common ground I would be willing to concede IF it was done in such a way to maintain anonimity.

An optional free flag printed on drivers licenses that the person has been pre-screened for gun purchases, which could be used in place of a NICS background check for all transactions FFL, FTF or Online with no tracking / reporting of purchases required for average individuals (FFL's still required to log) for as long as the drivers license is valid. If someone is convicted of a disqualifying felony they can be forced to turn in their drivers license and / or get an updated one printed with the Gun OK flag removed. In exchange for this, require NICS background checks on all gun transactions where people do not show a Gun OK license. It may not be a perfect system, but I personally don't want to sell a gun to a guy with a violent felony record and as the systems stands now I have no easy way to check.
 
It seems to me that if we simply passed a law declaring murder illegal that it would solve all these issues. We could also declare the entire USA a "Murder Free Zone."

/sarcasm
 
I'm not amazed. Biden and Obama both have very little respect for the constitution and have been waiting for the best time to try and introduce a new AWB since they took office.
 
i just love that...they claim they want to reach a "common ground".....but they are completely unwilling to yield on any of their views.
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There's as much "common ground" between us and anti-gunners as there was between Mordechai Anilewicz and Juergen Stroop.

What's the "compromise" between extermination and survival? Between slavery and freedom?
 
Alaska444 said:
If you look up the history of EO's, only a handful have been overturned by congress or courts. In fact, court rulings have made it even harder to over turn an EO.
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Which is why I enumerated methods that don't involve directly overturning an E.O., but instead circumscribe it.
 
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