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NY Bill Sets Up Ammo DB - Requires Manufacturers To Register & Report

Discussion in 'Legal' started by dc dalton, Jun 21, 2013.

  1. dc dalton

    dc dalton Well-Known Member

    Proposed New York bill A08108 sets up ammunition tracking database, requires manufacturers to register and report to the state.

    From the bill:

  2. Art Eatman

    Art Eatman Administrator Staff Member

    "I know that this won't reduce violent crimes with firearms, but WE MUST DO SOMETHING!"

    "Ignorance is no excuse for a law." -- Tamara Keel.
  3. Speedo66

    Speedo66 Well-Known Member

    Does this include home hand loaders?
  4. wildbilll

    wildbilll Well-Known Member

    OK, I'll bite. Isn't just about all ammo sold able to be used in something that is either a handgun or some long gun that can be classified as an "assault weapon"?
    And what is "coded" mean? Is that microstamping?
  5. Speedo66

    Speedo66 Well-Known Member

    Yup, since there are those manufacturers that make the rifle caliber single shot pistol barrels, just about any rifle cartridge could be classified as a pistol cartridge.
  6. MErl

    MErl Well-Known Member

    very bad bill bill text

    oo, a bullet tax:
    applies to ALL Existing Ammunition:
    Handloaders are probably not considered Manufacturers since there is mention of business premises but the possession rule would apply.
  7. backbencher

    backbencher Well-Known Member

    So New Yorkers are to be disarmed by making the ammo so expensive they can't afford to shoot w/in the state. Of course, the NY taxpayers are going to have to pay high $ to keep their police in boolits, as well. There will be a single ammo manufacturer supplying the People's Republic of New York.
  8. Torian

    Torian Well-Known Member

    Is there support for this in the legislature? I wonder how many of the liberals who are in favor of such legislation cited the movie "Judge Dredd" as supporting evidence.

    In the movie, firearms were DNA coded to whomever was holding the weapon, and each bullet had a identifier unique to the shooter.
  9. AirForceShooter

    AirForceShooter Well-Known Member

    Nyers will just drive over the state line.
    Going on vacation will now include a budget to buy ammo and drive it back.

    Remington was trying to stay.

  10. dc dalton

    dc dalton Well-Known Member

    You have to remember, with this comes the micro stamping requirement for all guns. So it's not just ammo it's guns.

    They could in fact piss off manufacturers to the point no one will ship ammo OR guns to NY, effectively banning new gun sales without actually banning them.
  11. jlucke69

    jlucke69 Well-Known Member

    Soon it will be more profitable for thieves to steal ammunition than guns.
  12. Speedo66

    Speedo66 Well-Known Member

    From what I'm reading, in the future if you have 100 rounds of ammo over a year old, unstamped, and don't possess a hunting license, they've just made you a criminal. Hunters have 3 years before they're a criminal.

    This is such BS!! :fire:

    To even think up such a bill is a travesty.
  13. PavePusher

    PavePusher Well-Known Member


    1. Are there any ammo-manufacturers based in NY? If so, does this apply to ammo they sell/ship out-of state?

    2. Ammo vendors in Vermont, southern NH, Penn. and north-east Ohio just won the lottory, unless this gets rejected. You've seen the fireworks tent-stores near states that 'ban' fireworks, yes....?
  14. Midwest

    Midwest Well-Known Member

    I believe with the 1968 GCA there was a requirement to have a FFL to sell ammo. I think it was done away with FOPA 86 ? I think the FFL was a FFL 4 or FFL 5 license to sell ammo only. I believe anyone buying handgun ammo had to have their names written down in a register, this was federal law at at one time. From what I understand it was done away with as being too onerous and didn't solve one crime.

    I can't find much information on how much the FFL 4 (or 5) license cost or what were the exact regulations at the time. Most sites seem to have the revised regulations of the the 1968 GCA and not the original text.

    Maybe someone can add in the exact details or could point me to where I can find this information. My whole point is that if it was done away with because it didn't solve crime and created too much paperwork...maybe the politicians in NY need to know that it turned out to be a useless regulation ....(for what it is worth).
    Last edited: Jun 21, 2013
  15. MErl

    MErl Well-Known Member

    worse than that actually.

    after 2014 you may not have >100rnds of unmarked ammunition.
    after 2017 you may not have any unmarked ammunition.
    (unless you have a hunting license which seems an odd thing to totally nullify possession of any amount)

    This one we sure don't want going anywhere. Talk about a horrible model for the rest of the country.
  16. heyjoe

    heyjoe Well-Known Member

    this bill was first introduced 12/31/69
  17. Twiki357

    Twiki357 Well-Known Member


    Now exactly how are they going to determine that the ammunition is "Coded" if it is on the base of the projectile?
    If the "Code" is also on the box, what's to prevent a person from refilling an old box with uncoded ammo if the code is on the bullet base inside the case?
  18. Old Shooter

    Old Shooter Well-Known Member

    I can see the NY State Police going around with an inertia bullet puller to pull the bullets from your pistol to see if the base of the projectile is coded.....

    They do have random traffic check points, mayby this would be included.

    How is an individual to know if his ammo is, in fact, coded?

    Who was the genius in New York that introduced this bill?
  19. dragon813gt

    dragon813gt Well-Known Member

    I realize this will hurt the residents of NY. But this is where the manufacturers have to stop selling to NY. They have 49 other states and the rest of the world to sell to. So why bother with all the hassles in one market. NY has realized they can effectively ban firearms by making it cost prohibitive. I know it's a battle which is ongoing. And it seems the residents are losing ground every day. This is something that can only be stopped by the residents of NY.

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  20. Torian

    Torian Well-Known Member

    As a last resort...possibly. However, the residents of NY need help. Giving up on an entire state in terms of firearms and ammo is losing a big piece of this war.

    If we give up this state, they will just move along to another one. There can be no compromising with this type of legislation that is just designed to harass lawful gun owners.

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