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: (NY) Homeowner nabs thief at gunpoint 07-08-03

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by WAGCEVP, Jul 11, 2003.


    WAGCEVP Active Member

    May 26, 2003
    : (NY) Homeowner nabs thief at gunpoint 07-08-03

    Homeowner said he used a .22-caliber rifle to hold youth he caught
    July 08, 2003
    By Sue Weibezahl and Maureen Nolan
    Staff writers

    At about 5 a.m. Monday, Syracuse homeowner Richard Resch was making his
    routine safety check of his property through a second-floor window when
    he saw a man in the driveway hefting a speaker from a public address
    system he stores in the garage.

    Further back in the yard in the 800 block of Avery Avenue, a second man
    was lifting another speaker over the back fence.

    Resch, 34, said he was in a spare bedroom, where he keeps his guns
    locked up, about to put on the uniform he wears to work as a
    state-licensed security officer. Resch said he grabbed his .22-caliber
    rifle, pointed it out the window and ordered the man nearest the house
    to freeze or get shot.

    He doesn't remember his exact words, but they worked pretty well.

    "And he could see me in the window with a gun pointed at him," Resch

    The man near the fence dropped the speaker and ran off into the trees
    that fringe Resch's property. The man nearest the house dropped the
    speaker he carried and froze, Resch said.

    The man stayed put until Resch
    could scramble downstairs and into the driveway, where he held him at
    gunpoint until police arrived.

    Resch said he ordered the man to get on his knees, lace his fingers
    behind his head and not move.

    "Clear, concise commands is part of our training," said Resch, who is
    hoping to land a job as a police officer.

    He said it took maybe two or three minutes for police to arrive but it
    seemed longer. He said he asked the suspect his name and where he was
    from, but he didn't necessarily believe the answers.

    When police arrived, Kenneth D. Williams, 16, of 285 county Route 29,
    Oswego, was on his knees with his hands on top of his head, kneeling by
    the speaker, said Sgt. Tom Connellan of the Syracuse Police Department.

    Williams reportedly disclosed the identity of the other suspect. Police
    found that one - a 15-year-old - at the home of relatives nearby less
    than an hour after the incident. That suspect's identity was withheld
    because of his age.

    Both teens were charged with felony counts of burglary and petit
    larceny, Connellan said.

    Resch was not charged because the type of gun he used does not require a
    permit, said Connellan. It is unusual for a citizen to apprehend a
    suspect at gunpoint, and it isn't necessarily the best thing to do, he

    "If people pull a gun on someone like that, and they are not properly
    trained, they could end up losing the gun, and the gun could be used on
    them," he said.

    People have every right to protect themselves in their homes, but
    sometimes the best thing to do is to be a good observer, get the details
    and call the police, Connellan said.

    Resch said his security training enabled him to handle the situation,
    and he thinks the kids were lucky he has that background.

    "Had it been somebody without training, the kid might have been shot.
    People have itchy trigger fingers," Resch said.

    Police are still investigating to determine if the youths may be
    involved in several other garage larcenies that have been reported on
    the city's West Side in recent weeks. Anyone with information can call
    detectives at 442-5222.
  2. Standing Wolf

    Standing Wolf Member in memoriam

    Dec 24, 2002
    Idahohoho, the jolliest state
  3. Keith

    Keith Participating Member

    Dec 26, 2002
    Kodiak, Alaska
    "Had it been somebody without training, the kid might have been shot.
    People have itchy trigger fingers," Resch said.


    Yeah, only cops or cops-in-training should own or use firearms....

  4. Mr. Bombastic

    Mr. Bombastic New Member

    Apr 10, 2003
    The United Kingdom Of Great Britain And Northern I
    Hows the bad guy gonna disarm anyone when he is being targeted from a second floor window?! :rolleyes:
  5. TheOtherOne

    TheOtherOne Participating Member

    Dec 31, 2002
    I guess you've never seen "Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon". Hey, it could happen! :D
  6. 4v50 Gary

    4v50 Gary Moderator Staff Member

    Dec 19, 2002
    A parking lot commando does well. All kidding set aside, I'm glad this guy behaved responsibly in capturing the burglar. It reflects well on all gun owners.
  7. R-Tex12

    R-Tex12 Member

    Dec 24, 2002
    "If people pull a gun on someone like that, and they are not properly trained, they could end up losing the gun, and the gun could be used on them," he said.


    "I may get killed with my own gun, but he’s gonna have to beat me to death with it, ‘cause it’s going to be empty." Clint Smith
  8. Kharn

    Kharn Senior Member

    Dec 24, 2002
    To me, that reads like the cop said if you used a gun (that was required by law to be registered) to defend yourself, you'd be charged with a crime. :rolleyes: I wonder if its a case of Connellan messing up while trying to paraphrase the law, or if the reporter just screwed up the quote.

  9. seeker_two

    seeker_two Senior Member

    Dec 26, 2002
    Deep in the Heart of the Lone Star State (TX)
    SOMEBODY hasn't read the FBI stats on how many "properly-trained" officers are shot w/ their own service weapons...:scrutiny:

    Sgt. Tom Connellan of the Syracuse Police Department.--Just another cop in the big, liberal, nanny state...:banghead:

    WAGCEVP Active Member

    May 26, 2003
    (TN) Prolific cat burglar killed by homeowner 07-13-03

    (TN) Prolific cat burglar killed by homeowner 07-13-03

    [Story mentions at least two other cases where armed homeowners chased
    him from their homes.]
    GoMemphis: Local

    Cat burglar knew 'game was up'
    Brazen thief told sister he would rather die than return to prison By
    Chris Conley
    July 13, 2003

    The day before he was shot and killed inside a Hickory Hill home, cat
    burglar David Ronald Washington told his sister he could never return to

    In and out of lockup his entire adult life, 44-year-old 'Little Ronnie'
    knew that with his record, he would spend the rest of his life in prison
    if convicted again. Even so, within a month of his parole in February,
    he went on a spree of house burglaries unprecedented in Memphis.

    Burglary detectives have attributed 87 break-ins to Washington so
    far. They think he may have been responsible for as many as 300 before
    he was killed June 13 during a fight with the homeowner.

    For 3 months, Washington worked at his trade almost nightly. He slipped
    in through windows wearing gloves, a dark hood and clothing to hide his
    5-foot-5, 140-pound frame.

    He took only cash and jewelry. He never bragged about his exploits. He
    didn't work with a partner or carry a gun.

    Police have recovered a small portion of the loot and don't know what he
    did with the rest.

    When confronted inside homes, Washington fled, escaping through the same
    window he entered. And while he never attacked any of his victims, he
    scared the daylights out of several.

    "He came creeping down the hall, and I saw a head stick around the
    bedroom door," said 80-year-old Jerome Morrison of East Memphis. "I
    yelled that I was calling 911. . . . He scared the hell out of me,"
    Morrison said.

    Others told police of waking up in the middle of the night and seeing
    the cat burglar hovering over them.

    In April, he crawled through a window, walked in on a couple eating
    supper and dove out the same window.

    On June 3, a sleeping woman heard a bumping noise and woke up to see an
    intruder standing over her.

    The woman's boyfriend chased the man out of the bedroom, down the stairs
    and into the kitchen, where the burglar crashed through a window.

    One victim described his encounter with the cat burglar as "very eerie,
    very creepy," according to police reports.

    Despite Washington's care to mask his identity, by April, burglary
    detectives were hot on his trail. The cat burglar wasn't leaving
    fingerprints, but his method of operations had rung a bell with Burglary
    Det. Daniel Barham.

    Back in 1996, while working as a patrolman in the East Precinct, Barham
    had helped investigate a series of burglaries with very similar
    earmarks, and he remembered the burglar was named Washington.

    Detectives discovered that Washington, who had been convicted in 1997
    for a series of burglaries in East Memphis, had been released from state
    prison in February.

    Barham said Washington looked for a particular type of window, with
    multiple panes on the top and bottom.

    He would remove a pane from the bottom section using a putty knife or
    something similar, then reach up and turn the lock, Barham said.

    In mid-April, after one burglary victim identified Washington in a photo
    spread, police charged Washington in the first of three warrants for

    By early June, Washington's picture was everywhere: on television, on
    fliers, in the newspapers. Detectives were combing South Memphis, where
    Washington had lived briefly with his mother after getting out of
    prison, and watching his haunts.

    As the police closed in, Washington kept slipping into homes, sometimes
    four or five a night. Nothing seemed to faze him.

    One May night, he was chased out of two houses by homeowners armed with
    guns, Barham said. Washington committed three more break-ins later that

    "He was unique, the best I've ever seen," Barham said. "To him, it was a
    job, except it was 9 to 5 a.m. for him."

    Burglary detectives regret they were never able to interview Washington,
    to see how he thought and operated.

    "He was a cat, and he utilized all his lives," Barham said.

    When Washington was shot and killed in the Hickory Hill home of Memphis
    Fire Department investigator Christopher Howard, police said Washington
    had items he had taken in burglaries earlier that night.

    The shooting was ruled a justifiable homicide. Last week, Howard
    declined a request for an interview.

    Washington's sister said her brother knew he was playing for keeps.

    "The game was up," Brenda Word said.

    The day before he died, Word said, she had spoken to her brother. "I'd
    rather die than go to prison," she said he had told her.

    Family members debated whether to turn him in, and now regret they did
    nothing, she said.
    "I'd rather see him alive in jail than dead," Word said.

    Washington's fatalism is not unusual for certain types of criminals,
    said Memphis clinical psychologist Dr. John Hutson, who has testified in
    dozens of criminal trials and interviewed hundreds of suspects.

    Cat burglars are a rare breed, proud of their smarts and ability to
    evade capture, Hutson said. They get a kick out of invading the homes of
    others, because "there is a thrill factor."

    Washington, for instance, preferred going into homes where there were
    people. He was not scared of alarms or dogs. He would move slowly in the
    houses unless cornered.

    But such anti-social males, by the time they get into their 40s and
    start to slow down, often think about suicide.

    "They think too much of themselves to kill themselves, so they often
    find a proxy," Hutson said.

    "They want to go out in a blaze of glory."

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