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Discussion in 'Legal' started by kestak, Jan 15, 2013.

  1. kestak

    kestak Well-Known Member

    With the NY new laws, what is happening to everyone who has a M1 Garand?
    It can hold 8 rounds in its magazine.
  2. F-111 John

    F-111 John Well-Known Member

    From what I understand, currently possessed magazines between 8-10 rounds can continue to be possessed, but must only be loaded with 7 rounds.

    Now argue that an en bloc clip isn't a magazine...
  3. Captains1911

    Captains1911 Well-Known Member

    Is that true regarding loading 10rd mags with 7, or only temporarily? As for the Garand....who the hell knows
  4. Evergreen

    Evergreen Well-Known Member

    Not from what I am reading! The new law states that all magazines over 7 rounds will be illegal and must be sold within one year. I have not yet read any clause saying that you can keep them. They have effectively banned any possession of magazines, whether they are pre-ban or not.
  5. Jim K

    Jim K Well-Known Member

    The M1 rifle has long been a target of the anti-gun gang. They just couldn't quite figure out how to word the ban and how to ban a gun the U.S. government was selling. I expect the Obama administration to shut down the CMP as soon as they get their other gun ban measures passed.

    Federal and state gun "control" leaders recognize an opportunity to destroy the Second Amendment for all time and they are going to try very hard to do that. And they have no intention of settling for just a renewal of the expired AWB - they will try to ban as many guns as possible (like pump shotguns and rifles) by calling them assault weapons.

  6. Prince Yamato

    Prince Yamato Well-Known Member

    There is an exemption for curios (rifles and pistols over 50 years old).
  7. F-111 John

    F-111 John Well-Known Member

    Here's an excerpt from the text of the NY bill that was posted by Moderator Jorg here:

    Current 10 round magazines are grandfathered, but you are on Scout's Honor not to put more than 7 rounds in them. (Remember that NY already had a 10 round limit on magazines prior to this law.)

    New magazines must be no more than 7 rounds capacity.
  8. Evergreen

    Evergreen Well-Known Member

    I guess I didn't realize the fact that New Yorkers will be forced to register them if they decide to keep them, rather than just seize the property. The whole law is very vague. I am also reading possessing 10 rd magazines is a Misdemeanor, but maybe that would be the case for only grandfathered magazines that are not registered with the government.
  9. goldie

    goldie Well-Known Member

    I dont think the criminal use of an m1 garand exists, & the m1a,as well.its too big,heavy & unwieldy,& from every gun ive ever seen taken on police shows, the news,never saw a garand in 30 years .Never saw a crook with m1 thumb.i cant see how they are so against that rifle,too...
  10. pseudonymity

    pseudonymity Well-Known Member

    They will have to be registered, and the en bloc clips need to be registered as well once the law goes into effect.

    We can still get Garands from CMP after the law is effective, but we will have to register them within 30 days.

  11. M1ke10191

    M1ke10191 Member

    I believe Garands and SKSs are exempt from the ban.

    Here's the magazine breakdown:

    Preban 20 or 30 round mags, even if bought legally, are 100% illegal with one year to sell them out of state.

    New 10 round mags (after this law's passage) are also illegal to own.

    Grandfathered 10 round mags are fine with no requirements to release them, although they cannot be loaded with more than 7 rounds.

    Hope that helps.
  12. Fryerpower

    Fryerpower Well-Known Member

    On know it is Wikipedia, but it still MAY be accurate:

    "From 1916 until 1996 the CMP was administered by the U.S. Army. Title XVI of the National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 1996 (Public Law 104-106, 10 February 1996) created the Corporation for the Promotion of Rifle Practice & Firearms Safety (CPRPFS) to take over administration and promotion of the CMP.[2] The CPRPFS is a tax-exempt non-profit 501(c)(3) corporation chartered by the U.S. Congress, but is not an agency of the U.S. government (Title 36, United States Code, Section 40701 et seq.). Apart from a donation of surplus .22 and .30 caliber rifles in the Army's inventory to the CMP, the CMP receives no federal funding."

    Emphasis added.

  13. mfinley919

    mfinley919 Member

    How do you put 7 rounds in a Garand 8 round enbloc? :banghead:

    F'ng NY State. Doesn't usually take more than a few months to go by to remind myself how happy I am and why I left that Liberal, tax happy sesspool in 1994 and never looked back!:)

    Think I'll got get me a 33 oz soda right now.
  14. F-111 John

    F-111 John Well-Known Member

    I never played with one, but I suppose you'll have to fill the last spot with an empty cartridge or a .30-06 snap cap.
  15. Geneseo1911

    Geneseo1911 Well-Known Member

    -A clip isn't a magazine
    -When you push the 8rd clip INTO the magazine, the bolt instantly closes. 7 in the magazine, one in the chamber.
  16. pseudonymity

    pseudonymity Well-Known Member

    You know, I think you are right. I think the SKS was an oversight, since semi autos that do not take a detachable mag or clip are not addressed in the law. I am not aware of any other rifles in that category that are typically available?

    The Garand is going to be interesting - it does not have a detachable magazine, but I am not sure how the difference b/w clip and mag would hold up in court if it came to that point. How stupid is it that we can buy a Garand without registration after the law is effective, but the en bloc clips have to be 50 years old and registered?

    So here is a question - what if I have a 30 round pre-ban AR mag today, and an AR lower. If I remove the bolt catch from the mag and secure the mag into the lower by use of a solid mag release button with a screw or similar, do I have the equivalent of a SKS (legally)? It is now a semi automatic but does not have any capability to accept detachable mags, and without the detachable mag part I could have all the evil features. It would require me to break the action open to load the magwell, much like a SKS loads with the carrier locked back.
  17. Jdillon

    Jdillon Well-Known Member

    I tried reading the legislation this afternoon on-line and must say after the first read it is nearly non-comprehensible and will go back and read it a few more times. At first read, it looks like many popular rifles including the venerable 10-22 maybe illegal under the new law. I also had thoughts about the M-1 while reading it. Unfortunately, a lot of law abiding citizens will unwittingly be criminalized with this new legislation.

    Fortunately, I left the NY metro area in 1975 for New Mexico and never looked back. People in NY are no longer residents of that state but simply serfs there to provide the liberal politicians the financial means to carry out there progressive agenda.
  18. jrmiddleton425

    jrmiddleton425 Well-Known Member

    "How do you put 7 rounds in a Garand clip?"

    Drop the empty clip into the rifle. Snap rounds into place either side of the follower. Close the bolt in the normal manner. Depending on your dexterity, it is physically possible to load an EMPTY clip into a Garand.
  19. mfinley919

    mfinley919 Member

    You guys are all smarter than me. I'll just stick with putting 8 rounds in my 8 round enbloc clips.
  20. Ithaca1937

    Ithaca1937 Member

    The new phrasing would count the en bloc itself to be a "large capacity ammunition feeding device". So a person can not acquire another standard 8 round en bloc, but the ones they currently possess are grandfathered in; although they are not allowed to have more than 7 rounds in them. So simply putting 8 rounds into just the clip alone would be a crime. :banghead:

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