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Omaha Doctor calls for assault weapons ban

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by HGUNHNTR, Dec 20, 2007.


    HGUNHNTR Well-Known Member

    I saw this story on the news tonight gang. I am thoroughly and utterly disgusted that so called "experts" are allowed to spew lies out over the public airwaves. Disgusting.
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    The doctor who has treated Von Maur shooting victim Fred Wilson spoke candidly Wednesday about social issues that came out of this tragedy, like mental health care and the availability of assault weapons.

    "I have no anger whatsoever toward him, no anger whatsoever toward Robert Hawkins." While Fred Wilson spoke about forgiving the mall shooter, his doctor used this tragic example as a reason why the weapon the shooter used, an AK-47, should be banned.

    "Basically the faster the bullet is going the more damage it does, that's a basic, physical principle,” says Nebraska Medical Center Trauma Medical Director Dr. Joseph Stothert. “These are very high velocity weapons that are only meant to destroy tissue and kill people."

    Nebraska Sen. Brad Ashford of Omaha couldn't agree more. "I agree with the doctor, there is no good reason to have assault weapons for protection, for hunting."

    "They're involved in many cases with that horrible, horrible, horrible destruction and death, from Columbine to Westroads. I don't know how much more we need to know."

    Ashford says banning assault weapons on a state level won't work, it must be on the federal level, like the 10-year ban passed in 1994 that ended in 2004.

    Still, the senator has drawn up two proposed bills on gun control he'll introduce in the next legislative session. "Ensure that firearms are safely stored in the home, that the weapons that are stolen from the home are reported to police officers." Both were issues in the mall shootings.

    Ashford's other proposed bill deals how we buy guns. "A bigger issue is, should we be selling assault weapons without background checks."

    Senator Ashford says he is happy to see support from Omaha Mayor Mike Fahey and Police Chief Thomas Warren. Fahey is even part of a national coalition of mayors against illegal guns.

    Channel 6 News called area guns stores for a comment, but no one would talk. We also reached the National Rifle Association, which offered no comment.

  2. Regolith

    Regolith Well-Known Member

    I don't think I've seen so much ignorance displayed since...well, since the last anti-gun article I've read.

    I wonder if they'd piss their pants if told that the average hunting round has just as much or more energy than the 7.62x39?

    Oh and this:

    Makes me laugh. Unless they're trying to ban FTF transfers (which is probably the case), they're astoundingly ignorant about the law.
  3. v35

    v35 Well-Known Member

    Dr. Stothert is as qualified to opine about guns as much as the NRA is qualified to critique surgical procedures and standards for medical care.

    Shut up and treat the sick, doc.
  4. Prince Yamato

    Prince Yamato Well-Known Member

    So basically, you'd rather blame the gun than the insane kid. You just misdiagnosed the problem... "doctor"...

    Also, a gun that wasn't designed to destroy tissue and kill would be an inhumane weapon. Is said doctor indicating that we should only severely wound people... that's cruel.
  5. BobbyQuickdraw

    BobbyQuickdraw Well-Known Member

    30-06 and .308 both have a higher muzzle velocity than the 7.62x39 and are very close to the .223.
  6. Winchester 73

    Winchester 73 member

    Stupidity squared.
    This is no hope for fools such as these.
    As pointed out the .270,.280,.308 ,30.06,not even to mention the 45-70,.338,.375,.416,.458 ad infinitum have much more power as hunting rifles.
    There is no coping with this type of insanity.
    The Doctor and the Senator both need to be tranquilized and quietly put to sleep.ASAP.
  7. koginam

    koginam Well-Known Member

    It was the AMA in Australia that was a leading force behind the Australian gun grab. Our own AMA has been very active in banning guns here as well.
  8. Soybomb

    Soybomb Well-Known Member

    Now lets see 1994 to 2004....the columbine shooting was 1999. Did the Senator just prove himself wrong in the same few sentences?
  9. Regolith

    Regolith Well-Known Member

    I'll take "yes, the senator is an idiot" for $2000, Alex.
  10. MachIVshooter

    MachIVshooter Well-Known Member

    You'll notice that when the Brady Bunch talk of the need for a new AWB, they will NEVER bring up Columbine, as it clearly displays that the exact firearms banned were not only available smack dab in the middle of it's legislative lifespan, but that they were obtained by persons prohibited by section 922 (x) of Title 18 USC.

    Brady/VPC/HCI will only dig up cases involving "assault weapons" before '94 and after '04. They could lose what precious little support they still have if they're blindly trusting supporters were to realize that *gasp* gun control doesn't work.
  11. Robert Hairless

    Robert Hairless Well-Known Member

    Dr. Joseph Stothert commits a serious breach of medical ethics known as a boundary violation when he misuses his professional position to convey his personal opinion about matters not within his professional competence.

    The boundary violation in this instance is the statement of his personal opinions that "the weapon the shooter used, an AK-47, should be banned" and that they "are only meant to ... kill people."

    Dr. Stothert's conclusion that the rifle "should be banned" is a political and social assertion, not a medical opinion.

    His assertion that the rifle is "only meant to ... kill people" is an absurdity based on a belief that he has omniscience. A rifle is not meant to be anything other than a rifle. Only a profoundly ignorant person confuses a rifle with a bullet. And inanimate objects have no intentionality: neither the rifle nor a bullet fired from it has the intent to kill anyone at all. A person shooting a bullet out of that rifle might intend to kill a person with it, or he might intend to kill a mad dog who is attacking a child, or he might intend to shoot a paper target. People have intent. Objects do not.

    Complaints need to be lodged against Dr. Joseph Stothert with his employers, licensing boards, and his professional associations for his boundary violations and abuse of his position. Dr. Joseph Stothert should be banned from the practice of medicine because there is no way to predict other personal opinions he might confuse with it.
  12. Gunner4h1r3

    Gunner4h1r3 Well-Known Member

    Hell, Harris and Klebold never used an AK, they used a couple of shotguns and a Tec-9.

    I agree with the above posters about the doc being stupid, along with the senator. when will these people realize that gun restriction laws do absolutely nothing. Nothing at all.
  13. Standing Wolf

    Standing Wolf Member in memoriam

    In plain English, he has refused to take a moral position.
  14. Cannonball888

    Cannonball888 Well-Known Member

    Because it's the gun's fault. It made him do it. :barf:
  15. Deanimator

    Deanimator Well-Known Member

    Which is called "moral COWARDICE".
  16. RoadkingLarry

    RoadkingLarry Well-Known Member

    Since it is well documented that far more people are killed by way of medical mistakes made by doctors tan are killed with guns I propose a ban on doctors.

    As a side note the number of people killed with guns include a fair number of folks well deserving of termination due to being killed during the comission of a crime, either by LEO or civilian. How many of those accidentaly killed by Doctors were deserving of death?
  17. GeezerwithGuns

    GeezerwithGuns Well-Known Member

    Yes indeed, banning them really works (not). Columbine gets trotted out every time some tragedy happens, but it is never, ever mentioned that the 1994 AWB was in effect at the time and these two criminals broke a total of 20 existing gun laws. If ever there was proof that gun laws don't work - here it is.
  18. OpFlash

    OpFlash Well-Known Member

    Don't know about the tec-9 but they had a shotgun and a highpoint 9mm carbine.
  19. OpFlash

    OpFlash Well-Known Member

    The antis use whatever argument they think will fit the tragedy du jour to blame the gun. This Dr. Stothert is making a big deal out of the speed of the bullet because a rifle was used. He'd be making a big deal about high cap mags if a tec-9 9mm was used. He'd be making a big deal out of ....um, ugly black guns if a high point 9mm was used (they only hold 10 rounds). No mention of the common denominators though - the responsibility of the person pulling the trigger, the degradation of society that places corporate success and material goods over effective parenting, and our ineffective justice system that won't string the guy up in public.
  20. Liko81

    Liko81 Well-Known Member

    Makes sense; they're the ones who have to clean up the mess when bullets collide with bodies. The AMA for instance was instrumental in the withdrawal of the Black Talon from market; that's a particularly nasty round that puts the doctor at risk as well as the patient. I could totally understand that move... this however is, as you say, a doctor abusing his title, which infers a learned man, to speak out against a subject in which he is NOT learned. Any Browning rifle action hunting rifle, or even a lever-action, would have done the same or more damage. I'm not sure if the AWB would have made 10-round clips for the SKS difficult or illegal to possess, but even during the ban, semi-auto rifles designed for hunting were widely available.

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