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Once CMP runs out of Garands, then what?

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by Kenshin, Mar 21, 2005.

  1. Kenshin

    Kenshin Well-Known Member

    Where we will the rest of us get our Garands?
  2. Ed

    Ed Well-Known Member

    Off the internet at VERY high prices. Buy some from the CMP as soon as you can. :)
  3. Abby

    Abby Well-Known Member

    I have a very good friend "of a certain age" who has been enjoying all these CMP sales.

    I plan to mug him. Kindly but firmly.

    Kidding- buy 'em now if you can spare the cash. :)
  4. nico

    nico Well-Known Member

    Springfield is still producing the Garand, but retail is about $1350.
  5. alamo

    alamo Well-Known Member

    I've got mine. Too bad for those down the road though. Since they allow folks to purchase 8 /year, they will be gone in 3-4 years last I heard.

    The CMP apparently needs the revenue from rifle sales to keep operating. I argued on a thread at their forum to maybe cut that limit back to 2-3 per year but was basically blown off by the administrator.

    They will have to live without the rifle sales revenue one day but until then they are trying to sell them as fast as they possibly can.
  6. Kenshin

    Kenshin Well-Known Member

    All right, how about a petition to cut the limit to 4 a year?
  7. Dionysusigma

    Dionysusigma Well-Known Member

    To heck with that--what about us that don't have one yet?

    I say they only sell to newcomers until everyone has one. THEN people can buy more. :)
  8. jefnvk

    jefnvk Well-Known Member

    If you want to see a sad thing, go to the store. Try picking over the Greek rack grades trying to find a new one, while some guy is grabbing everyone there is out and loading them on a rack to buy. Gets frustrating picking through when 2 guys are doing this, and the worse four or so are sitting there for an hour while they are getting processed. And you can pretty much imagine they are going to a shop to be marked up to $800, making $500 each. $500 * 8 rifles = $4000 profit for him.

    (to anyone that has done that for personal use, OK, but show some courteosy to the kid who is trying to get just one nice one)
  9. alamo

    alamo Well-Known Member

    Supposedly, part of the logic (in addition to revenue) is that a future administration may decide to have them all destroyed so they want to get rid of them before that can happen. As it stands now, that is extremely unlikely in the foreseeable future but that is not stopping the CMP. From the discussion I've read that those that can afford to buy many M1s per year (including dealers) are all behind the 8 per year sales. Those that hope to buy one someday or those that would like to see the supply limited so more people can benefit from future sales would like to see the annual limit cut back to a more reasonable level.

    It seems when someone suggests going to a lower annual limit, folks immediately say that you want to go back to the old program of one per lifetime which is not what is being suggested but that is a typical response.

    There are a finite amount of M1s left, it would be nice to put them in the hands of as many folks as is practical vs. many in the hands of a select few. That would certainly help promote the CMP's mission but they don't see it that way.
  10. swingset

    swingset Well-Known Member

    The CMP isn't fulfilling it's intended purpose anymore, it's now a cash cow....operating for profit and doing quite nicely thanks to the scumbag dealers and profit hounds looking to make money off of the 8 they buy. They can't sell enough, move that product!!

    I know at my local range there was a dealer telling people he would buy their Garand if they did the CMP thing and let him have the other 7....and people were taking him up on it for a while. Finally the club intervened and made him stop soliciting (tho I'm sure he's still at it somewhere).

    This is what the 8 per-year feed trough has accomplished. Good going CMP!! :banghead:

    It's all about marksmanship and having a piece of history, right?
  11. chickenfried

    chickenfried Well-Known Member

    I don't see how it's the CMP's fault that some conusmers choose to buy a Garand elsewhere. Buying from the CMP is so easy even a monkey like me can figure it out.
    I've tried explaining about the CMP to people checking out Garands at gun stores. Both people thanked me and bought the overpriced Garands they were checking out.
  12. swingset

    swingset Well-Known Member

    What I take issue with is that they were FOUNDED to promote marksmanship and to train citizens in time of need to become marksmen, and by offering surplus rifles for a cheap price they allowed civilians to enjoy target shooting and competition.....

    And instead of doing this, they have become nothing more than a gun distributor....selling rifles at profit, at slightly above wholesale prices, in too-large amounts to dealers. That's not what the CMP is supposed to be for, and it hurts us all whether you realize it or not. Dealers and wannabe dealers are profiting off of their lax and "wholesale" selling program, and it's against the spirit and function of the CMP.

    Here is what the CMP is supposed to be (from their website):
    I'm all for the sale of rifles, and I'm all for a couple a year, but not 8....that's the CMP making easy $$ instead of serving its mission.
  13. Sam

    Sam Well-Known Member

    The emphasis at ODCMP is on the youth programs, exactly where it needs to be. Mr. Anderson and company made the best decision possible on this course and I agree with them 100%.

    The purpose of the organization is not to sell rifles, it is to promote shooting.
    The do that by using the money derived from selling rifles. Given the political climate in the US I would sell all of them tomorrow and get the kids shooting the day after. Get their little minds under control now while we can.

    As for those who are afraid the "they will run out befor I get mine". Get one now and stop your whining.
    It has never been easier and it won't get any easier. In terms of what a dollar is worth, they haven't been any less expensive either.

    Stop whining, go buy your rifle and then take a kid to the range.

  14. swingset

    swingset Well-Known Member


    You know, it was precisely because of bum-rush dealers who were waiting with 8 orders in hand that the Danes ran out so quickly, and now all the rack grades are disappearing. By the time some of us had our paperwork together and our money saved, some of the good ones were long gone and we were on hold till the Greeks arrived. There are plenty of Collector grades of all stripes left, why is that I wonder??

    Because no one makes any money turning over a $1200 Garand at the shows....but they make a fortune turning over a $340 rack grade for $600 to the uninitiated. Is that what the CMP sells rifles for? To make dealers rich?

    I thought the idea was to sell cheaply to allow common folks access to service rifles for competition and marksmanship....but according to you the sales program is only to fund youth programs. (nice spin)

    Some of us don't have alot of money...and putting an order together takes alot of effort and a bit of saving. We're PRECISELY who the CMP was supposed to serve by selling off Garands and 03's. Some of us don't like the "spirit" of the CMP being tread upon by opportunists - apparently you don't mind....I do.

    If the CMP was a bit, just a bit, more concerned with seeing their rifles go to people who want them and not to profiteers, we wouldn't run out of rack grades and have to pick through what the volume dealers left behind.
  15. TheOtherOne

    TheOtherOne Well-Known Member

    This is probably a stupid question, but can someone explain how I can buy one? I think I want to get me one now, even if I have to put it on the card.
  16. swingset

    swingset Well-Known Member

  17. El Tejon

    El Tejon Well-Known Member

    When the M1s run out, THR will stop worrying about the zombie bears under their beds organize and lobby Congress to modify the "once a machine gun always a machine gun rule", re-importation of militree weapons, and implement federal preemption of firearms regulations. This will allow the CMP to sell surplus M14s converted to Title I configs.

    When we run out of M14s, the CMP will sell surplus M16s, M16A1s, M16A2s (when the ACR comes out shortly). THR will rejoice, El Tejon will go to the sushi bar and flirt with waitresses. :D
  18. Redneck Revolver

    Redneck Revolver Well-Known Member

    check around your local mil-surp store. at least thats what i would do. mine (the own my buddy owns) has about 30-40 garands, varying in degrees of price and quality.
  19. TheDutchman

    TheDutchman Well-Known Member

    Yeah a guy at the Austin Gun Show sales Garand's he get from CMP plus 1903's and 1903a3. :fire:
  20. jefnvk

    jefnvk Well-Known Member

    I just had a thought. The paperwork you sign says that the rifle cannot be purchased for resale. What if they just opened a complaint line, where people could call in and see if the 8 M1's on a dealers shelf was recently purchased from CMP. If so, that person would be prohibited from purchasing again for so long.

    Maybe need a bit better way of doing it, but the idea is there. Anyone caught buying specifically to resell for a profit would have their right to buy taken away.

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