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One thing I could never understand.....

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by Hokkmike, Nov 8, 2012.

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  1. InkEd

    InkEd Well-Known Member

    IMHO the most likely scenario.... You won't have a full scale gun seizure. It will be done in phases. The first will be another AWB. It will eliminate new sales of certain items and calibers. The next step will be registration. Then you'll have SCOTUS-like law. The compensation amounts will be laughable for either being very low or very high because it just means the government printed a bunch of monopoly money. (Debt and inflation are going to be the real downfall if things don't change.) Most people will comply out of fear. The mainstream media will do what it is told by the government. It will cause a black market much like any other prohibited items. People will still be allowed to own and buy certain weapons and register them.

    The only thing that we can hope is that individual states want uphold their rights and refuse any type of laws from going in effect. Even though, the current administration was re-elected, it was rather close. (The distribution of electoral college votes is the main reason. If every state had an equal number of electoral college votes like they do Senate seats, the election would have been a landslide in the opposite direction.) The displeasure with the government is rather high especially when dealing with issues forcing people to do things. (e.g. Obamacare)

    It would not surprise me that people would hesitate to give up their guns or register them with the government. In a recent TV survey (I saw during the election) it is estimated that 47% of US households have at least one firearm. A figure that is probably lower than real life. (Given the "non of your business" attitude upheld many people.)

    In bad times, people cling to certain things. Guns are one of them.
  2. GAF

    GAF Well-Known Member

    Any one care to estimate how much 300 million guns x just compensation will cost the American tax payers ? Because if it ever came to confiscation it will be done with borrowed money so all of us will be paying for the just compensation and the confiscation of our property.
  3. Warp

    Warp Well-Known Member

    I never said nor implied that you said that. Here is the post/reply:

  4. Wanderling

    Wanderling Well-Known Member

    Pleeeeease. Obama is not touching the gun control with a 6 ft pole. He has a party to support you know. This hasn't been a high priority for them for a while now and I doubt it would become one any time soon. Clinton came to power in a very different setting.

    I am tired from all that paranoia, frankly. He may not be the best president but he's still a US President and Dubya was far worse as far as I am concerned. There are moderates / centrists on both sides and they need to figure out how to work together and find a compromise or this country is not going anywhere.

    So, while O wasn't my choice, he gets as much support from me as any other President would. I wish him luck in running the country. God knows we need it.
  5. barnbwt

    barnbwt Well-Known Member

    Of course there were, and I'm sure they had legitimate reasons that trumped their opinions on the Second Amendment. Maybe we should work on reaching out to the "Firearms Used for Deer Slaying" folks who think their rights aren't affected by restrictions and regulation of others' firearm use.

    Most folks hate raising a fuss and protesting (quiet bickering is much easier), so while they themselves are not targeted, they find it easy to tolerate "mild" creeping infringements on many things (guns, religion, gas bills, etc.). The key is to help people understand the chain of events that today's precedents will set into motion if they are not strongly countered.

  6. Geneseo1911

    Geneseo1911 Well-Known Member

    $420 average (the average value of a gun in my collection) x 300 million=1.26 trillion

    Average annual new Federal debt under Obama: 1.5 trillion (to be fair GWB was just as bad about spending, but he had a better economy and more revenue, so the deficit was smaller)
    current federal debt: 15.4 trillion

    And do you really think they would pay anywhere near the actual value? I don't think it will ever happen...look to machine guns to see what the statists would like to do to all guns...but to say they couldn't....they'd just run the presses a little harder. What's another trillion or so of debt and a little more inflation?
  7. Warp

    Warp Well-Known Member

    The above discussion had gone beyond tin foil hat territory.
  8. Owen Sparks

    Owen Sparks member

    It happened in Australia.
  9. Apachedriver

    Apachedriver Well-Known Member

    Talk about one thing I could never understand...

    No I'm not picking on you. I just could never understand how people out there could think that they can or should use their rights as negotiable instruments to get things they want.

    Personally, that's the first thing I always look at with any candidate for office. If they are willing to bargain with, trade away, take away, restrict my usage of, make conditional, or sidestep any one of my rights as guaranteed by the US Constitution, then they have lost my vote or will hear from me.

    I don't get how others can just ignore that.

    But that's just me

    Rant off.
  10. jerkface11

    jerkface11 Well-Known Member

    Two anti-gun candidates ran for president we shouldn't act too shocked that one of them won.
  11. Warp

    Warp Well-Known Member

    Too true.
  12. Neverwinter

    Neverwinter Well-Known Member

    There is more to the Constitution than just the 2nd Amendment. Unless there is full overlap in the policies between the two choices, you're going to be making a choice which bargains on parts of the Constitution.
  13. Fanfare Ends

    Fanfare Ends Active Member

    "Pleeeeease. Obama is not touching the gun control with a 6 ft pole. He has a party to support you know."

    A Party whose base and whose leadership all support complete gun bans.

    "This hasn't been a high priority for them for a while now and I doubt it would become one any time soon."


    11/11/2012 08:11 PM
    ... “It’s obvious that our warnings over the past several months have been true,” said Alan Gottlieb, founder and executive vice president of the Second Amendment Foundation, based in Bellevue, Wash.
    Less than 24 hours after winning re-election, the Obama’s administration joined with China, France, Germany and the United Kingdom, and more than 150 other governments, in*supporting renewed debate on the proposed United Nations arms trade treaty, confirming the worst fears of the American gun rights community,” said the founder of SAF, which*was in 1974, and which has grown to more than 650,000 members and supporters ...

    ...“The election was called about 11 p.m. Tuesday and by 11 a.m. this morning, we got word that the United States was supporting this resolution. We have to be more vigilant in*our efforts to stop this proposed treaty,” he said.

    The vote came at the U.N. General Assembly’s meeting of the First Committee on Disarmament at the world organization’s headquarters in New York City.
    According to a State Department webpage devoted to the Arms Trade Treaty, the Obama administration strongly supports the treaty potential.

    “The ATT should include all advanced conventional weapons, including tanks, armored combat vehicles, artillery systems, military aircraft, military helicopters, naval vessels,*missiles, missile launchers, small arms and light weapons, and combat support equipment. It should also include parts, components, and/or technology to manufacture, modify,*or repair the covered items,” the webpage said...

    rest of article here: http://www.humanevents.com/2012/11/...-for-un-arms-trade-treaty-day-after-election/
  14. Owen Sparks

    Owen Sparks member

    They are waiting for the next high profile mass murder case.
  15. ErikO

    ErikO Well-Known Member

    Not quite true. Google 'Democratic Gun Owners' Caucus' and you'll find several orgs that are working to change that perception directly. The verbiage of the Firearms platform is repugnant to many folks inside the party and will not be repeated in 2016.

    RKBA is not a Conservative issue and stopping another AWB or continuation of the 'gun show loophole' nonsense is up to all of us to undertake.
  16. Warp

    Warp Well-Known Member

    Perhaps you can aware me on the most recent anti-gun legislation that has been passed at the federal level...
  17. Fanfare Ends

    Fanfare Ends Active Member

    "Google 'Democratic Gun Owners' Caucus' and you'll find several orgs that are working to change that perception directly..."

    WADR, I would think its more important to actually change your leadership and your base who support total gun bans, than working to simply change the "perception". (And I say that as someone very used to futility, living in NY with Chuck Schumer as a Senator).

    "The verbiage of the Firearms platform is repugnant to many folks inside the party and will not be repeated in 2016."

    Good luck with that.

    I hope you have a less embarrassing time changing your Platform's language than your Chair did at the recent 2012 DNC.

    For those who weren't watching, the DNC Chair had to resort to illegally ramming through changes in in the Democrat's Party platform, inserting language that (barely) mentioned God, and an undivided Jerusalem, and he had to do so over the objections of the majority of delegates who both wrote / supported the obnoxious platform, as well as who clearly voted NO to the changes.

    "RKBA is not a Conservative issue"

    Really, you are now in the business of telling us Conservatives what are and what are not our issues? Hopefully you won't insist on dictating our positions to us at the point of a gun ( : >).

    "and stopping another AWB or continuation of the 'gun show loophole' nonsense is up to all of us to undertake."

    WADR again, and admitting that I, like many was not enamored of Romney's flip-flopping on the issues over the years, you and your Blue Gun groups had four years to change the direction of this administration with respect to the 2nd Amendment, and yet Barack Hussein Obama called for reinstating the AWB during the 2nd debate, and these are (from his campaign's website) the actual anti-2A platform positions that he ran on in the election last week:

    I am sorry but we missed reading of anyone standing up at the DNC trying to change that language in the Party platform.
  18. Fanfare Ends

    Fanfare Ends Active Member

    The comment to which I was replying (and the link / quote that I provided) were in regard to this High Roader
    summarizing his thoughts on the FUTURE potential of more anti-gun legislation.
  19. Warp

    Warp Well-Known Member

    So your position is that the Democratic party's base and leadership support a complete ban on guns...yet they haven't done anything about that, even when they had the House, the Senate, and the Presidency?

    Sure, there is no denying that the most rabid anti gunners have always and probably always will be Democrats (though you get a RINO once in awhile), but at the national level gun control is political suicide. At the national/big picture level, the entirety of the democrat voting base is NOT in favor of a complete ban on guns. Not even close. Saying so is just baseless hysteria. We have a little too much of that (hysteria) going around right now.
  20. barnbwt

    barnbwt Well-Known Member

    Wow. What a piece of work. How many code words is that? 8? I'm not familiar with the "Tiahrt Amendment", but "gun trace info" is probably one too, though I'm not counting it. Possibly "police...tools" as well? The F&F administration reccommending arms trafficking and gun tracing measures--ridiculous. It may not be wise to take a shot every time it's "for the children," either :uhoh: (this last one goes for both parties while at parties;))

    There's a reason the Democratic party is "percieved" as antagonistic to gun owners

    That said, I applaud the efforts of any Democrats to steer at least this one portion of their platform back toward the Constitution. Let's not forget there are perhaps more Republicans who would prefer to see additional infringement than Democrats pushing for governmental restraint.

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