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Open Carry court case: West Allis City Courthouse on Tuesday December 16th at 8 am

Discussion in 'Legal' started by bnhcomputing, Dec 12, 2008.

  1. bnhcomputing

    bnhcomputing Active Member

    From the email.

    If you can attend, please do so and support Mr. Krause
  2. General Geoff

    General Geoff Well-Known Member

    I'm definitely rooting for him, but from the description it seems that the case is very much in his favour anyway.
  3. Leanwolf

    Leanwolf Well-Known Member

    First, if the article is correct as to what happened, I am in Mr. Krause's corner.

    But, given the way the article reads, Mr. Krause was carrying a tape recorder, perhaps (??) anticipating being arrested. (??)

    I doubt most of us carry a pocket tape recorder around with us all the time. I have one, but I don't carry it. It is used for business meetings I sometimes attend.

    Just wondering.

  4. bnhcomputing

    bnhcomputing Active Member

    In Wisconsin Concealed Carry is ILLEGAL, therefore open carry MUST be legal so says our courts. However, LEO has been taught to arrest and charge with DC for open carry thus leaving us NO REMEDY in Wisconsin. It is common knowledge among those who choose to "open carry" that they risk arrest and that they should be prepared to defend themselves. Thus an attorney on retainer and a voice activated recorder.
  5. Strings

    Strings Well-Known Member

    I'd prefer if Monkeyleg weighed in here, but I guess I'll chime...

    There are a couple really good possibilities with this case, if it goes up the chain. Won't say anything more than that.

    We honestly want him found guilty at the local level though, so it CAN go up the chain...
  6. jaholder1971

    jaholder1971 Well-Known Member

    If this is a municipal court, he'll lose. It's not about right or wrong, but about revenue generation. Municipal courts rarely rule on constitutional matters when they can make the city a buck.

    This will end up being appealed in the next higher court.
  7. Leanwolf

    Leanwolf Well-Known Member

    BNH, thanks for that information.

    I hope Mr. Krause wins his case.

  8. bnhcomputing

    bnhcomputing Active Member

    Dirty Tactics

    Well, the DA shows up and hands the judge some sort of last minute brief. The whole thing gets continued to February, and the guy still can't get his firearm back.

    My only question is, where the hell is the NRA? Firearms are being seized from Wisconsin residents, at least two(2) cases I know of in 2008, and the NRA is MIA.
  9. kornesque

    kornesque New Member

    Seriously? Is there any more to this story? I've heard of blatant disrespect for RKBA by LEO, but this? Please tell me there's more going on...
  10. Strings

    Strings Well-Known Member

    No, there's likely no more going on than the Powers That Be being very anti in the Milwaukee area...
  11. ZombieHunter

    ZombieHunter Well-Known Member

    So...any word on how it went? 12/16 was the hearing it's 12/21 now
  12. misANTHrope

    misANTHrope Well-Known Member

    Look back a couple posts:

  13. ZombieHunter

    ZombieHunter Well-Known Member

    >.< sorry. i read the second paragraph and not the first thanks.
  14. bnhcomputing

    bnhcomputing Active Member

  15. ServiceSoon

    ServiceSoon Well-Known Member

    Please update us on Feb 18th.
  16. bnhcomputing

    bnhcomputing Active Member

    Update on the case

    First, the judge found Mr. Krause NOT GUILTY of disorderly conduct.

    Second, the judge ruled you could carry long guns (shotguns, rifles) into bars in Wisconsin.

    Third, the judge did NOT give Krause back his firearm.

    Fourth, Krause did have a plain-clothes officer come to his home apparently to return his firearm. The officer tried to hand him a brown paper bag.

    If Krause had accepted it, they could have gotten him for concealed which is illegal in Wisconsin. It has to be unloaded and encased in a case "specifically designed" for a firearm. A bag does not meet this criteria.

    Krause was on the ball, and asked the officer to remove the firearm, open the action to ensure it was unloaded, and then hand it to him.

    According to Krause, the officer did it in an unsafe manner. Krause’s gun was all marked up with some kind of silver paint and when he asked the officer how he was supposed to clean it; the officer said "mineral spirits, WD-40, or gasoline."

    You can hear all about it here: http://www.sportsradio1250.com/CUTTING-EDGE-OUTDOORS/1115758

    It starts about 18 minutes into hour 1 and continues into hour 2.

    Give a listen to hour 2, where the ex-cop says he would arrest Krause because he would violate local ordinances. Wisconsin has a firearms pre-emption law; local ordinances cannot be stricter than state statue.
  17. Dokkalfar

    Dokkalfar Well-Known Member

    wow... that is really bad. he really should sue for their behaviour. i dont know about there, but in texas its a felony for a cop to make up laws and try them out on you. im just glad he didnt get 'caught' by any of those attempted tricks on him :/
  18. Brad_Krause

    Brad_Krause Member

    Radio Interview

    The hosts of Cutting Edge Outdoors have generously offered part of their show on Saturday, June 13th for discussing our rights. The show can be heard in the Milwaukee area on WSSP Sports Radio 1250 AM and also streams online from http://www.sportsradio1250.com/ by pressing the Listen Live button on the top right.

    I encourage you to call in between 6 and 8 AM and contribute your thoughts about our rights and explain things like why our rights are important, why gun control isn't about guns, and who is trying to pass ordinances and legislation to further restrict our rights. (414) 799-1250

    If you have trouble remembering topics you want to talk about I can post either a brief or somewhat longer summary of "the big picture" and where we stand--just ask.

    Although they've invited me to be a guest and I'll be happy to answer your questions, I'm more interested in what you have to say. Thanks!

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