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opinions on small 9mm pistols?

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by tuj, Feb 5, 2013.

  1. NYGlock

    NYGlock Active Member

    Yeah - "pocket carry" to me is kind of vague. I will carry my G26 in a jacket pocket in a pocket holster. But I don't consider it a pocket pistol. If I can easily carry it in the front pocket of typical dress pants, I consider it a pocket pistol.
  2. jimbo555

    jimbo555 Well-Known Member

    Most would consider a j-frame able to be carried in a pocket. Most of the new class of subcompact 9mm pistols are the same size or smaller.
  3. NYGlock

    NYGlock Active Member

    I have a j-frame and I agree it is a pocket carry (probably the largest I would consider). I have a shield and it is about the same size, but it is not good for pocket carry due to the shape which makes it hard to draw.
  4. willroute

    willroute Well-Known Member


    I am partial to the Kahr Pm9 as well. Great pistol, conceals well. Accurate pistol.

    I wear it in an old faithful IWB holster.
  5. C0untZer0

    C0untZer0 Well-Known Member

    To me, the next step from pocket pistol, either in weight or size, means belt carry - probably IWB.

    And just my opinion, but carring IWB, with a good belt offers a greater range of options. Is it really that much of a difference between carrying an G26 versus a G19 IWB or a Kahr PM9 versus a Walther PSP?

    I can see some advantages of having a small pistol like an PM9 or Boberg carried IWB, and each person has their own preferences, but getting a pocket pistol and then carrying it IWB has never made much sense to me - I've alway though it wouldn't make that much difference to get a slightly larger pistol and now you've got longer sight radius, better grip, better control, quicker follow-up shots.

    Just my opinion.
  6. Girodin

    Girodin Well-Known Member

    This is an interesting question and I was discussing it the other day with some people. We had laid out a number of guns chambered for 9x19, and even a few of the smaller .380s. Bascially everything from the tiny 9s up to duty size guns. They were laid out from smallest to largest going left to right. The difference between any gun and the gun to its left or right was not particularly significant. Meaning you could grab anyone of them and make a pretty strong argument that carrying the next one to the right would not really be significantly more difficult or burdensome. Thus, it seems to me that argument is always present and can quickly take one from an LCP to a glock 17 if you don't draw the line somewhere. The difference between carrying those two guns is of course fairly pronounced. In sum, for any given size of gun carrying the next one up typically isn't a dramatic difference. There of course may be a point where for some people it simply does become to difficult to conceal given their wardrobe etc.

    As to carrying very small guns on a belt instead of a pocket. The argument for putting it on the belt has less to do with hiding it and to me MUCH more to do with accessing it. It has been my experience with a number of guns over the course of a few years of training and doing force on force, that getting to a pocket gun in a reactive situation is simply MUCH slower and more difficult than getting to a gun on a belt.

    The other consideration is that putting a really small gun on ones belt, IME, often does not really make it anymore difficult to carry or conceal, or any less comfortable. Your point about a slightly larger gun being easier to carry does come up when it comes to the belt. A pocket is, due to space constraints, naturally more limiting in what can be carried.

    I guess the first question one should address is how comfortable they are with pocket carry for a primary weapon. For me I don't particularly favor it, but have been reduced to it at various times. The strength of my objection does vary with the pocket in question. I actually like pocket carry for a BUG in some situations. The guns that will fit in a pocket are themselves limiting pistols.

    I always suggest people really get out and do some significant training and testing with their primary carry setup. This allows one to identify problems, limitations, etc and address them if needed or at least be aware of them. Sometimes one finds that what seemed good in theory, actually kind of sucks in practice.

    In sum, the limitations of pocket carry, combined with the limitations of the guns, particularly ones chambered in 9x19 that will reasonably fit in my pockets, make for a pretty compelling argument against pocket carrying a 9mm as a primary gun. This type of training is also necessary to develop the skills to effectively use the equipment one has.

    The above is just my opinion. However, it is an opinion informed by more than just thinking about it all.
  7. Big_John1961

    Big_John1961 Well-Known Member

    I have a Kahr PM9 and it has been outstanding, with zero malfunctions over about 500 rounds. It shoots very well, has a great trigger and is slim and easy to carry. Great gun and highly recommended. 7 rounds of 124 gr +P Speer Gold Dots and you're rockin' and rollin'.
  8. wrs840

    wrs840 Well-Known Member

    For single stack 9s I like S&W 3913 or 908.

    Your version of "small" may vary. These particular 3rd gens aren't exactly a pocket-frame, but then again, I think the desire for "smaller" is often a misplaced priority driven by a simple lack of experience.
  9. Hunter125

    Hunter125 Well-Known Member

    I'd like to hear more about people's experiences with the Taurus PT 709. I was at Gander last night looking at upgrading from my 738 and held several of the small 9mm's:

    BP9cc - $400 - Felt great, first time holding one, a little on the large side
    DB9 - $379 - Too small for my comfort, felt like I would get slide bite like crazy
    CM9 - $499 - Seemed high, felt okay, not as impressed as I thought I would be
    LC9 - $379 - Good price, felt good, not a huge fan of the safety (more the style of the safety)
    PT709 - $329 - Felt the best to me, safety was in a place that fit my hand well, though I'd still have to get used to having a safety at all, best price in the case

    The 709 seems like the winner, but what do you all think of it.
  10. heeler

    heeler Well-Known Member

    I have never handled let alone fired the PT709 but a from what I have read around here over the years is that Taurus firearms are not held in high esteem.
    The two I would be most comfortable with would be the CM9(I own a PM9) or the LC9.
    The price is about right for the LC9 but that dealer is charging way too much for the CM9.
  11. C0untZer0

    C0untZer0 Well-Known Member

    The only 9mm Taurus that I would trust would be the 905 - and only after 500 rounds through it.

    It's the only Taurus 9 that I've heard almost all owners say good things about as far as reliability and durability.
  12. Hunter125

    Hunter125 Well-Known Member

    Anybody have experience with the Bersa BP9cc?
  13. meanmrmustard

    meanmrmustard Well-Known Member

    I don't know, replacing a $5 every 200 rounds on any gun adds up, especially if I don't HAVE to set up a schedule to buy a damn spring.

    I carry + P, and therefore, I practice with it. So, to me, it's important to have a firearm with the ability to use hotter ammo in the gun if I so choose. For the price, I wouldn't buy this gun.
  14. meanmrmustard

    meanmrmustard Well-Known Member

    Improvement, small or large, is still improved.

    I carry and practice with my carry piece with +p, only makes sense.

    With a $1000 price tag, there's better guns for drastically cheaper, that still can be deep concealed.

    I'm glad you like yours, though.
  15. JohnBT

    JohnBT Well-Known Member

    Better guns? Where? :) I'm still not seeing it, even with an additional 20 to 30 fps shooting +P. That mattered a lot more to me before they improved the bullet designs.

    It always seems to come down to price, doesn't it? I used to be on a budget, but that was a long time ago - well before I paid the house off in '97.

  16. meanmrmustard

    meanmrmustard Well-Known Member

    Even with disposable income, I'm not paying a G for the R9. $5 here or there is still a bit ludicrous after very several hundred rounds, as well.

    Those that support them say "I don't shoot that many anyway."

    Why not? You don't practice or ascertain the reliability of your carry weapon? Foolish.

    Speer lists there 9mm at 1220 fps. Double tap + p at over a 100 fps higher pushing the same 124 gr slug. Speed kills too, and I wholly agree with the hydrostatic shock capabilities of fast, rapidly expanding rounds in tissue.

    The R9 is not recommended for use with hotter ammo, and its overpriced. All it has going for it is compactness. I see its super flyweight as a hindrance; I cannot shoot guns that light with any accuracy even at close range, nor are they comfortable enough to me to practice with.

    Plus, the OP never stated pocket carry was an option. It never has been for me.
    Last edited: Feb 16, 2013
  17. C0untZer0

    C0untZer0 Well-Known Member

    If you want to say that there are guns that are a better value, more bang for the buck, that's one thing.

    I put the Rohrbaugh in the same class as Arne's guns as far as quality, fit and finish. But the Boberg is not drastically cheaper.

    There is no 9mm that is lighter, and has smaller overall dimensions that is better (higher quality) than the Rohrbaugh - period. There certainly is no 9mm that is lighter, smaller, better and drastically cheaper.
  18. Racinfan83

    Racinfan83 Well-Known Member

    In my opinion, nothing beats the S&W M&P Shield for the price. But you gotta FIND one first...
  19. meanmrmustard

    meanmrmustard Well-Known Member

    I have one!!!
  20. WCraven

    WCraven Well-Known Member

    I have always thought the Walters P22 to be the idea size and shape ..the Kahr CW9 is that gun..





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