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Ouch!/40 cal penetration.

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by wingman, Mar 12, 2004.

  1. wingman

    wingman Well-Known Member


    By Patti Lewis
    Posted: Thursday, March 11, 2004 3:25 PM PST

    A United States Border Patrol agent was shot around 1 p.m. Wednesday during a struggle with an illegal immigrant.

    Officials said that the shooting occurred when a border crosser who was in custody at the Nogales Border Patrol station tried to take the agent's firearm. Agents were processing the illegal immigrant for voluntary return to Mexico.

    The agent and border crosser, who was identified only as a male Mexican national, were rushed to Carondelet Holy Cross Hospital by Nogales Fire Department ambulances. Both were airlifted in separate helicopters to Tucson for medical treatment. The immigrant was listed in critical condition Wednesday afternoon, said Susan Herskovits, FBI spokesperson.

    The agent's injuries, although serious, were not thought to be life-threatening.

    The Border Patrol declined to release the name of the injured agent.

    A bullet went through the agent's groin and struck the immigrant's leg during the struggle. The weapon was still holstered when it fired, sources said.

    It is believed that the firearm was discharged only once.

    As the shooting occurred on federal property and concerned a federal agent, the FBI will handle the investigation.

    Local law enforcement and medical personnel responded to the call. Nogales Police officers and detectives worked with Border Patrol agents to secure the crime scene and gather evidence, said Nogales Police Lt. Eddie Rosas Jr.

    Santa Cruz County Sheriff's deputies were also there to offer assistance.

    Every available police officer in the area, from any agency, will respond to an "officer down" call, Rosas explained.

    Nogales detectives gathered evidence at the Border Patrol station and hospital. The evidence was turned over to FBI agents when they arrived in Nogales, he said.

    Rosas praised cooperation between agencies for smooth handling of the shooting incident.
  2. Ukraine Train

    Ukraine Train Well-Known Member

    Man i'd rather have my leg shot off than get shot in the groin. Poor guy.
  3. CannibalCrowley

    CannibalCrowley Well-Known Member

    Yet another reason to have better barriers across our borders.
  4. BerettaNut92

    BerettaNut92 Well-Known Member

    But but...it's society's fault, the undocumented worker just wanted a better life.... :cuss:
  5. Chipperman

    Chipperman Well-Known Member

    I wonder which one pulled the trigger.
    Either way, OUCH. :(
    Glad it sounds like he'll be ok. That border crosser is in for some tough treatment.
  6. Fly320s

    Fly320s Well-Known Member

    What kind of holster does the Border Patrol use?

    All the LEO holsters I've ever seen cover the trigger and are worn on the hip. Seems to me that a ND would send a round down the outside of the leg rather than into the groin.
  7. CZ-100

    CZ-100 Well-Known Member

    He should sue the Mexican government.
  8. wingman

    wingman Well-Known Member

    My guess is the illegal will sue our goverment and get some type of payment.:mad:
  9. cdbeaver

    cdbeaver Well-Known Member

    With the FBI investigating, we'll probably never hear the real story.
  10. MicroBalrog

    MicroBalrog member

    The FBI? The people who brought us such fine examples of bravery as Ruby Ridge and Waco?

    The Border Patrol? The people who shoot unarmed 16'-yos they mistake for "drug runners"?

    Heck, if it hit him in the groin, it didn't strike anything important.
  11. Norm357

    Norm357 Well-Known Member

    Microbalrog said:
    The Border Patrol? The people who shoot unarmed 16'-yos they mistake for "drug runners"?

    A 16 yr old with a rifle, get your story straight. I expect better from you Micro! The BPO's have a hard enough job as it is with the politicos sticking their noses into everything!

  12. Andrew Rothman

    Andrew Rothman Well-Known Member

    I was wondering about the holster question myself.

    If I had to guess, I would say "partially holstered" will turn out to be the rest of the story.
  13. MicroBalrog

    MicroBalrog member

    Norm357 - A .22 rifle at 150 yards, and we are not even sure if he saw them.


    "Rep. Lamar Smith, R-San Antonio, sought the subpoenas because, he said, the Clinton administration has failed to disclose sufficient details about the death of Esequiel Hernandez Jr. Smith, who chairs the Immigration and Claims Subcommittee, alleges Hernandez was shadowed by a Marine patrol, then shot to death. "

    "Smith said Hernandez might never have seen the Marines, who were wearing camouflage uniforms. "

    ""Did someone really believe that a youth with a .22 rifle had decided to conduct a frontal assault on a team of United States Marines?" Smith said. "Did they think that their only option was to shoot him?" [/B]


    "The Hernandez family believes the youth, who was tending his herd of goats and often carried a gun to protect the animals , had no idea the Marines were there. "


    "EL PASO, Texas -- Marines who fatally shot a teen-ager on the Texas-Mexico border waited 22 minutes before giving first aid or calling for help, the head of the investigation said Friday. "

    And by the way, those Marines? They lied.

    "Tests on the rifle belonging to 18-year-old Ezequiel Hernandez revealed an empty shell. That finding along with a shell casing found near where the high school sophomore died seems to corroborate the military's claims that the teen-ager fired two shots in the incident near Big Bend National Park."

    "Prosecutors said the angle of Hernandez's bullet wound is inconsistent with the soldiers' reports of where they were when the teen-ager, who had been tending his family's goats, allegedly aimed his rifle at them for the third time.

    "That's my biggest problem with the (military's) case," said James Jepson, first assistant district attorney in Fort Stockton. "The angle is consistent with him pointing away from the Marines. He would have to have been shooting away."
  14. Orthonym

    Orthonym Well-Known Member


    CONCUR! We need to resist the tendency, and the advice, to suck up to,and obey, and make excuses for the "authorities" just because they're authorities.

    They might just be fat little bastards with mirror sunshades and helmets who whack us on the knees with their sticks, the knees being as high as they can reach from those plastic tricycles.

    Yes, I really do believe that policemen in particular, and government employees in general, resemble Eric Cartman much more than they do anyone else.

    Watch out there, Micro! Yer showin' some philarchic tendencies yourself, sometimes!
  15. Delmar

    Delmar Well-Known Member

    ....and thats what can happen when you put soldiers not fully trained for patrolling the border.
  16. Orthonym

    Orthonym Well-Known Member

    I don't think it takes a whole LOT of training

    to make the soldier (or even a Marine) understand that the main duty of a soldier is to do violence to foreigners while protecting his own countrymen.
    If he just HAS to shoot at somebody, have him shoot away from his own country, across the border, into that other country, Mmkay?

    Individuals sneaking across borders are not a military concern. People obviously going about their lawful business on their own property are not even a cop concern, let alone a military one. The guy looked "Spanish?" So what? There were a half-dozen or so guys with Spanish surnames who gave their lives in the Alamo, and many more who didn't but also despised Santa Anna and his bad govt. I betcha some of their descendants still live in Texas.

    Those trigger-happy jarheads? Hang'em

    The officer or Sgt who gave them the nonsensical, unconstitutional order which made them think it was OK to do that? Hmmm... Can't decide between boiling him in oil or breaking him on the wheel. Wait! I have it! Thank you, Mr. Gibson, for reminding me! This time, we get to do it to someone who unequivocally deserves it. Nail'im up!

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