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Our own worst enemy?

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by Coyote3855, Feb 23, 2013.

  1. Coyote3855

    Coyote3855 Well-Known Member

  2. blarby

    blarby Well-Known Member

    Nuge-a-mania spreads to our detriment frequently.

    My sympathies for your loss.....
  3. OptimusPrime

    OptimusPrime Well-Known Member

    Agents provocateur? :scrutiny:
  4. HOOfan_1

    HOOfan_1 Well-Known Member

    Odd, that that same type of behavior by the antis actually seems to make legislators listen though.....

    Calling the NRA a hate organization, saying that legislators are in the NRA's pocket...etc. etc.
  5. mnhntr

    mnhntr Well-Known Member

    Sounds like this guy is a coward to me. He should have commended the group for calling out the left wing loons.
  6. yokel

    yokel Well-Known Member

    We all know that the treachery, deception, and brazen insouciance of the gun control & confiscation clique knows no bounds, so it's understandable that some well-meaning patriots have been made tired, sated, or disgusted beyond endurance.
    Last edited: Feb 23, 2013
  7. Furncliff

    Furncliff Well-Known Member

    Yea try puffery that might work.
  8. Spymaster

    Spymaster member

    Exactly! The bums who submarined the bill should pay with their careers. For God's sake, we have editors of large newspapers calling for the murder of anyone who opposes gun confiscation, and in WY repubs are shelving pro-gun bills due to harsh language?

    There is not a republican anywhere that I will ever vote for again.
  9. HorseSoldier

    HorseSoldier Well-Known Member

    Or we could just call a spade a spade and admit that our side has some serious wingnuts among its ranks, too (and our wingnuts, given they define themselves partly by access to weapons, might be more frightening to the social herd at large).

    That said I suspect that advocacy for these bills by wingnuts had less to do with their dying in committee than the much more troubling implications of letting a nullification bill go to vote where it was likely to pass. This is the stuff civil wars are made of, and I can understand even a Republican in a pro-gun state, worrying about throwing that into the mix.
  10. JRH6856

    JRH6856 Well-Known Member

  11. bogon48

    bogon48 Well-Known Member

    +1 on Horsesoldier's comments.

    I support the NRA because they have a national voice that is actually heard by some legislators.

    I also try to listen carefully to antigun people. I am friends with a couple of them. What I often hear is an undercurrent of fear that feeds their extreme views. It's not based on direct knowledge or reason. I remain calm, logical and offer solid facts. If they don't want to listen or try shooting or inspect a firearm...that's O.K. I'll ask again some day. Attitudes aren't changed by yelling or insults. In the end, our cause is best served by patience and the persistent presentation of our arguments. Crazy rhetoric isn't helpful.
  12. Joke & Dagger

    Joke & Dagger Member

    I don't trust a word out of the mouth of a politician or news organization.
  13. yokel

    yokel Well-Known Member

    It is dispiriting see some folks overly concerned about offending/wounding the sensibilities of those who would condone the criminal prosecution of upstanding gun owners simply for exercising their natural right to self-defense with the firearm and magazine size of their choice.

    We must challenge ourselves and each other to think and act as if these delusional extremists have put our Liberty -our very lives- in peril.

    The time for apathy and appeasement must end and the time for serious change must start.
  14. tgzzzz

    tgzzzz Active Member

    Why not? Pretty effective.

    Spymaster: ... For God's sake, we have editors of large newspapers calling for the murder of anyone who opposes gun confiscation, and in WY repubs are shelving pro-gun bills due to harsh language?

    Could we have a cite for this comment?
  15. Kayaker 1960

    Kayaker 1960 Well-Known Member

    Wing Nuts

    I agree with a few of the other posters here that we gun owners are best served by reasonable conversation on gun issues, I'm not saying give in, I'm saying that chest thumping and posting pictures of yourself trying to look like Rambo is scary to the non-gun owning crowd and even moderate gun owners. Hell, some of you scare me!
    How about we try to show people that we are not a bunch of nut jobs itching to shoot somebody? "From my cold dead hands" sounds reasonable to us but it scares the hell out of some folks. Stick to the facts. I have a lot of freinds who don't own guns, I've talked about it with them and many have told me that they feel fine with me owning a gun, and they know that I have one anytime we are on an overnight trip (whitewater kayaking, that is a lot of trips) they are worried about the nut jobs as much as the criminals. Don't be a nut job!
  16. mljdeckard

    mljdeckard Well-Known Member

    I don't believe for one second that he let the deadline lapse because of profane phone calls. They get profane activism on every issue every day. This is a guy who WANTED to let it fail, and he just got an easy excuse.
  17. HOOfan_1

    HOOfan_1 Well-Known Member

    We aren't going to be able to weed out all the nut jobs....ther are 80 million gun owners. The antis have plenty of nut jobs on their side. I have never heard any legislators say they won't even consider a bill because the anti crowd was being too annoying....

    Seems to me legislators have an obligation to not let that type of behavior influence legislation....it isn't fair to those of us who can act like a civil human being. Sorry, but this whole affair sounds like a big excuse not to have to debate these bills. I don't doubt that whether there were threats or not, that these bills would have never made it to the floor.

    After the entire Hans Hunt incident, and now this....I am not sure the Wyoming legislators are exactly acting as they should....
  18. jwh336

    jwh336 Active Member

    It's not difficult to toss on the correct attire and intentionally act like a bufoon.
  19. montanaoffroader

    montanaoffroader Well-Known Member

    I agree 100%. The guy was just looking for an excuse, any excuse.
  20. JRWhit

    JRWhit Well-Known Member

    Smell test failed. The idea that he would let a bill fail as punishment to a small group of screamers is beyond the pail of Bull Crap.

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