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Out of 231

Discussion in 'Handloading and Reloading' started by MoreIsLess, Mar 28, 2012.

  1. MoreIsLess

    MoreIsLess Well-Known Member

    I have been loading 230gr 45ACP FMJ/RN using 5.2 gr of Win 231. I just ran out of 231 and they don't have any more at the LGS. Can someone recommend something comparable to 231 and a load to go with it. I have some Bullseye but I think it's kind of dirty and I will probably keep it for .38 DEWC loading. Would prefer something that is no flaky and produces acurrate metering.
  2. cfullgraf

    cfullgraf Well-Known Member

    Did they have HP-38? Identical to W231.
  3. Wil Terry

    Wil Terry Well-Known Member

    HOW SURELY glad I am to have thirty pounds of commercial grade 231 left in the last fifty pound keg I bought a few years ago. Better than money in the bank, Yessirree !!!
  4. shinyroks

    shinyroks Well-Known Member

    I use sr-4756, 7.5 gr behind a 230. That powder is often left behind on the shelves after all the others are gone, if it is carried in your store to start with.

    btw, do not mistake it for sr-4759. that is for 45/70s and 454 rifles...

    remember, my loads, my guns, work up to them and be safe. Back them up with a look in your cookbook...

    i guess it is a flake, but meters very well through my thrower for being such.
  5. David E

    David E Well-Known Member

    Exactly why I bought some. What velocity does that load give you?
  6. shinyroks

    shinyroks Well-Known Member

    At work, so I'll let you know when i get back to my info. Been a while since I chronied it, but I think I it gives me around 960 with cast RN sized to 452 out of my Remington R-1911.
  7. sellersm

    sellersm Well-Known Member

    As has been mentioned, HP-38 is the same. I'd recommend you try WST if it's available in your store.

    From Winchester's load data:
    230 GR. LRN Winchester WST .452" 1.200" 4.0gr (min) 776 14,300 CUP 4.3gr (MAX) 812 16,400 CUP
  8. ArchAngelCD

    ArchAngelCD Well-Known Member

    There is no way I would use another powder than W231/HP-38 for my .38 Special or .45 Auto ammo. IMO it's the best powder for the job. If it were me I would find some instead of changing powders.
  9. rbernie

    rbernie Well-Known Member

    I thought that Zip was also HP38/231?
  10. ArchAngelCD

    ArchAngelCD Well-Known Member

    That has been rumored but not confirmed by anyone in "the know" from what I've read. The fact both are made in the St. Marks plant, both are fine ball powders and both use very similar charge weights does lend itself to them being the same.
  11. BullfrogKen

    BullfrogKen Moderator Emeritus

    ArchAngelCD, have you tried AA #5 before? Back during the Great Shortage I could sometimes find a pound or two of it on a shelf when the W231 and HP-38 were long gone.
  12. kingmt

    kingmt Well-Known Member

    Hodgdon says they are the same & i would put them in the "know" group.

    I'm surprised you think Bullseye is dirty in 45ACP unless your running the charge to low.
  13. Galil5.56

    Galil5.56 Well-Known Member

    If you can not find HP-38, maybe give AA#2 a try.
  14. tarakian

    tarakian Well-Known Member

    I would recommend Titegroup.
  15. oneounceload

    oneounceload member

    How about buying a large jug or two of 231 since you seem to like it? The hazmat, spread over 16 pounds is cheaper than sales tax, and if you order from Graf's or similar, the shipping is free
  16. BullfrogKen

    BullfrogKen Moderator Emeritus

    Titegroup is pretty horrible on cast bullets. It runs hot, and makes a huge amount of smoke with lead bullets as a result.
  17. zxcvbob

    zxcvbob Well-Known Member

    Green Dot is pretty much interchangeable with Titegroup but doesn't have that problem. (from my testing, International Clays *is* interchangeable with TG, but only in low pressure cartridges, and YMMV.)

    When the local gun store is out of everything else, there will probably be one dusty pound of Green Dot on the back of the shelf.
  18. Blue68f100

    Blue68f100 Well-Known Member

    WST is way cleaner than 231 and produces tighter groups too. WSF works good too.
  19. Rule3

    Rule3 Well-Known Member

    What's wrong with Bullseye. Only the original 45 ACP powder??

    If you don't like that try some Win Auto Comp.
  20. tarakian

    tarakian Well-Known Member

    OP stated he is using FMJ.

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