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Owner kills man outside shop

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by peyton, Aug 28, 2008.

  1. peyton

    peyton Active Member

    Apr 20, 2006
    More stupidity in San Antonio, at least bad guy is not going to require any of my tax dollars for jail!!


    In what was likely a case of mistaken identity, a man who thought a tattoo shop owner was having an affair with a woman who was either his wife or ex-wife drove to Perfection Tattoo early Tuesday and threw a Molotov cocktail inside, police said.

    Shop owner Shawn Degan awoke to the sound of breaking glass about 2:30 a.m., then grabbed a shotgun and fired once toward a flame burning through his window, instantly killing the man outside the business in the 3500 block of Blanco Road.

    A police source said the suspect, Rickey Davis Jr., probably had the business owner confused with another local tattoo shop owner. Davis was shot in the neck.

    “My husband had to protect himself,” said Degan's wife, Jennifer. “He didn't even see the man. He just fired blindly toward the flames because he was scared.”

    No one answered the door to Davis' last known address, an upscale apartment complex on the Northwest Side.

    Degan, a respected artist whose work has been featured in many magazines, is not facing charges because he was protecting his property.

    “Texas law allows a property owner to use deadly force,” said Sgt. Gabe Trevino, a San Antonio Police Department spokesman.

    Last year, the Legislature expanded Texas law to include a “Castle Doctrine,” which allows a person to use deadly force in self-defense against an intruder without having to retreat into a home.

    It is unclear if the tattoo shop shooting would fall under the new law, but Degan would be protected under existing deadly force provisions because he was protecting himself and his property, police said.

    Degan declined to comment, his wife said, because he is distraught from the shooting.

    “He feels bad about it,” she said. “He keeps going back and forth about how he feels.”

    The Degan family initially thought the suspect might have been from a rival tattoo shop or might have been trying to steal equipment.

    The motive is still under investigation, but a police source — who agreed to discuss the case on the condition of anonymity because he's not authorized to talk about the case — said Davis thought the tattoo shop owner was having an affair with a woman who is his wife or ex-wife. And he probably had the wrong business.

    Witnesses told investigators that Davis was out drinking with friends Monday night when he started to talk angrily about a tattoo artist he suspected of sleeping with his wife or ex-wife. That is apparently why he drove to Perfection Tattoo at about 2 a.m.

    Officially, Trevino said the two men may have known each other, but he would not elaborate other than to say it was still under investigation.

    Trevino did say that Davis appeared to be an arsonist.

    “His intent ... was to burn down that store,” Trevino said.

    The device, however, caused little damage, arson investigators said, because its liquid contents were far from incendiary.

    “It was probably the worst Molotov cocktail ever made,” said San Antonio Fire Department Lt. Steve Torres. “Most likely, beer was inside the bottle.”

    The contents are being tested at a crime lab, but investigators believe Davis stuffed a piece of paper into a bottle full of beer and then tossed it into the window.

    “When it hit a chair inside, the beer doused the fire out,” Torres said.

    By that time, Davis was probably dead.
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  2. kevindsingleton

    kevindsingleton New Member

    Jan 2, 2008
    Beaver County, PA
    Oh, he had the wrong address, all right!

    One less moronic contributor to the gene pool.

    Well done.

    Gotta love Texas. When is castle doctrine coming to PA?
  3. Vonderek

    Vonderek Participating Member

    Jul 9, 2006
    So where were the flames that the tattoo artist was blindly firing his shotgun into? There's got to be more to the story.
  4. 220_Swift

    220_Swift Member

    Jan 15, 2006
    I know my first reaction to flames is to shoot at them.:scrutiny::uhoh::confused:
  5. cassandrasdaddy

    cassandrasdaddy Senior Member

    Jul 1, 2006
    or shoot what i can't see story, as "reported" has a smell
  6. takhtakaal

    takhtakaal Active Member

    Nov 16, 2007
    PA has castle doctrine, but it is also a "duty to retreat" state.

    If you're in your home, or you're in your work place, you have no duty to retreat from an intruder intent on harming or killing you.

    On the street, you have a duty to make as much of a retreat as possible from a threat, although extenuating circumstances like limited mobility or relative disability may limit such duty.
  7. Double Naught Spy

    Double Naught Spy Sus Venator

    Dec 24, 2002
    Forestburg, Texas
    Remember guys, this isn't the shooter speaking, but the spouse...who can say what she wants because she has no legal obligation to speak truthfully to the press about what her spouse did or did not do. Just because she claims he could not see anything other than the flame does not mean that is actually true. She may not have been able to see anything...

    The title of the thread and article or horrendously bad. The owner didn't simply kill a man outside of his shop. He stopped an arsonist engaged in attempting to burn down his property.
  8. mr.72

    mr.72 Member

    May 6, 2008
    This is so dumb.

    Why did the reporter even mention the "castle doctrine" law, considering the fact that it doesn't apply?

    This same type of reporting happens over and over again in TX and confuses the public by, intentionally I think, misinforming them about the applicability of the law.

    This guy, even though probably an idiot if he really shot in a direction where he could not see his target, is justified simply because he is protecting his property, plain and simple. There is no "castle doctrine" law in play here.
  9. V1K1NG0

    V1K1NG0 New Member

    Jul 30, 2008
    WOW. I know where that's at. Less than a mile away from Edison High School IIRC. News Video said owner was only at store because him and his wife had a fight and that this was the second such attempt. Interesting.
  10. JDoe

    JDoe Member

    Jul 12, 2008
    Sounds like the guy saw someone outside his shop light what appeared to be a Molotov cocktail and then fired his gun at the flames when the Molotov cocktail was thrown...
  11. Standing Wolf

    Standing Wolf Member in memoriam

    Dec 24, 2002
    Idahohoho, the jolliest state
    Well, yeah, but it's easy to confuse yourself with a SWAT team. Heck, it's happened to me a few times, too.
  12. peyton

    peyton Active Member

    Apr 20, 2006
    The title came straight out of the newspaper, I agree that it is not correct.
  13. scrat

    scrat Mentor

    Jan 27, 2007
    Monrovia, CA
    i guess thats why he used a scatter gun. as he just pointed and pulled the trigger. Not the best of things. But then who else would you expect to be standing in front of the building after something was thrown through the window.
  14. El Tejon

    El Tejon Elder

    Dec 24, 2002
    Lafayette, Indiana-the Ned Flanders neighbor to Il
    Beyond any and all doubt, this misinformation is a deliberate act by our enemy, The Media.

    "Castle Doctrine", which has nothing to do with the abolition of the duty to retreat, is thrown around as if it gives people some invisible cloak of invincibility.:rolleyes: Our enemy is attempting to destroy our rights by provoking others to illegal acts.
  15. blackthorn762

    blackthorn762 New Member

    May 20, 2008
    Pottstown, PA
    Three words...

    Thinning the herd!
  16. BruceRDucer

    BruceRDucer Active Member

    Feb 9, 2008
    Denver Colorado
    I like to sing "Kumbaya" first, of course, then I start shooting through the flames. :what:
  17. myrockfight

    myrockfight Member

    Sep 11, 2004
    Saint Petersburg, FL
    That is exactly what I was wondering. Although the reporter didn't seem biased against the guy doing the shooting, it is still written terribly.
  18. Griz44

    Griz44 Active Member

    May 4, 2008
    The media will ALWAYS bias a story against the individual who chooses to protect themselves. The shooting was totally justified. It meets all the legal criteria. Too bad we can't use the same law to defend ourselves against the biased reporting of most media members. Buy the man a new box of shells, give him a medal for being an outstanding citizen and a good shot. Let him get on with his life. Taking a human life is not an easy thing to live with for most of us. He needs our support.

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