Perhaps the single-most idiotic statement EVER opposing CCW

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I had to read this 3 times yesterday to make sure I hadn't mistakenly ingested hallucinogenic mushrooms in my dinner the previous night.

This 'thinking', if it can be loosely described as such, shows exactly what we're up against here in WI. Can you believe this drivel?????????

http://www.jsonline.com/news/weblogs/index.asp?id=70&month=1&year=2006
MONDAY, Jan. 30, 2006, 6:31 p.m.

Criminals have advantage with concealed weapons

One of the arguments often used to support concealed carry is that it will allow ordinary, law-abiding citizens to fend off street criminals. But talk to prosecutors and police officers who deal exclusively with gun crimes, and they'll tell you that gang members and other street thugs almost always pack their guns in their waistbands with the safeties off so they can immediately draw and fire. And where normal people might hesitate to pull the trigger, the thug won't hesitate for a second because in the streets, it's kill or be killed. Advantage: the armed criminal.
By Jerry Resler, editorial writer
 
:banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

Armed criminal, unarmed victim. Advantage: armed criminal.

`Nuff said.
 
i live in nj so there is no hope for me.nj doesnt belive in the 2nd amendment nor do they care about the bill of rights.unlike your state they dont want citizens to own a gun,or let any harm come to a Armed criminal,for they have more rights than I,i served in the army in iraq for one year just to come home and find out i lost more freedoms,i came home and this state made me a criminal with all there new gun laws.
 
But talk to prosecutors and police officers who deal exclusively with gun crimes, and they'll tell you that gang members and other street thugs almost always pack their guns in their waistbands with the safeties off so they can immediately draw and fire. And where normal people might hesitate to pull the trigger, the thug won't hesitate for a second because in the streets, it's kill or be killed. Advantage: the armed criminal.
The hesitation works true for both sides. The thug does not have a monopoly on decisive action.

Pilgrim
 
I carry with a CZ75BD, in a fitted holster, with one in the pipe, hammer down.

Who's less likely to have a snag?
Who's more likely to shoot a somewhat important part of themselves?

It'll take me how long to get a shot off? The CZ75BD doesn't even have a manual safety. I got it due to experience with a bad range instructor that wanted us to rely on the manual safety way too much. So I got a semi without one.

Darn tootin I pay attention to trigger control with that puppy.
 
And where normal people might hesitate to pull the trigger, the thug won't hesitate for a second because in the streets, it's kill or be killed. Advantage: the armed criminal.
So according to this brain-dead moron, an unarmed "normal person" is better off to be unarmed against an armed thug?

WTFO??

So by his "reasoning," police would be better off with no guns too - they might hesitate to shoot due to all the paperwork involved when they do.

What a freaking idiot!:barf:
 
But talk to prosecutors and police officers who deal exclusively with gun crimes, and they'll tell you that gang members and other street thugs almost always pack their guns in their waistbands with the safeties off so they can immediately draw and fire.

I wasn't aware that "gang members and other street thugs" were largely a danger to regular citizens. Don't such lowly elements mostly just shoot each other?

The idea behind concealed carry is to protect oneself from other types of human dangers, such as pathological predators, impulse subjects (i.e. road rage, street rage involving weapons), women protecting themsleves from rapists, robberies, muggings, etc.
 
Crack does not smoke itself

ROTFLMAO

We do have CCW here in Ohio, but also have some of the dumbest restrictions...

When you get into car, has to immediately go from concealed to "in plain sight" ...whatever THAT means....[switch from say IWB to an outside thigh holster]

Media has full access to, AND PUBLISHES names/ages/county of resisdence of CCW holders.

Armed criminal, unarmed victim. Advantage: armed criminal.

pretty well sums up the discussion.
 
Media has full access to, AND PUBLISHES names/ages/county of resisdence of CCW holders.

"I'm not certain that I have an issue with that."

If the entire concept of the 2nd Amendment is to promise access to firearms, who cares if the exercising of such is advertised? :confused:
 
Well you have a right to use those drug store enema bags too. Do you want the entire world knowing what brand and how long you use them for?
 
boofus said:
Well you have a right to use those drug store enema bags too. Do you want the entire world knowing what brand and how long you use them for?

It's not as if you're buying them online and having them shipped to your door in brown paper. John Q. with a case of Depends in his shopping cart is pretty much "in public."
 
Ezekiel said:
"I'm not certain that I have an issue with that."

If the entire concept of the 2nd Amendment is to promise access to firearms, who cares if the exercising of such is advertised? :confused:

How many people with a carry permit own only one gun? I don't know any, and they can't either stay home or carry all of them all the time.

How hard is it to find an address for someone if you know their name and county of residence? Not hard.

Why are you okay with newspapers essentially giving criminals lists of houses that almost certainly have guns in them?
 
Why are you okay with newspapers essentially giving criminals lists of houses that almost certainly have guns in them?

Because this would be marginally different then offering lists that have jewels, electronics or cash in them?

1. Criminals know what you have, based upon things that have nothing to do with the paper.
2. I find it amusing that folks want 2nd Amendment "rights" but desire nobody to know about it.
3. An address is a simple thing to locate in any event.
 
FireBreather01 said:
I had to read this 3 times yesterday to make sure I hadn't mistakenly ingested hallucinogenic mushrooms in my dinner the previous night.

This 'thinking', if it can be loosely described as such, shows exactly what we're up against here in WI. Can you believe this drivel?????????

http://www.jsonline.com/news/weblogs/index.asp?id=70&month=1&year=2006
MONDAY, Jan. 30, 2006, 6:31 p.m.


By Jerry Resler, editorial writer

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I just have no idea what to say to that. It's like something from the mad tea-party as written by Lewis Carrol...
 
foghornl said:
ROTFLMAO

We do have CCW here in Ohio, but also have some of the dumbest restrictions...

When you get into car, has to immediately go from concealed to "in plain sight" ...whatever THAT means....[switch from say IWB to an outside thigh holster]

Duct-taped to forehead.
 
Ezekiel said:
Because this would be marginally different then offering lists that have jewels, electronics or cash in them?

:confused: I wouldn't want the paper publishing my info and telling crooks I have an expensive art collection, either. (Not that I do)

1. Criminals know what you have, based upon things that have nothing to do with the paper.

I think I've done a good enough job of opsec that crooks across town don't know I have guns in my house.

2. I find it amusing that folks want 2nd Amendment "rights" but desire nobody to know about it.

It's not that I want nobody to know that I have guns, it's that I don't want everybody to know.

3. An address is a simple thing to locate in any event.

Yes it is, that's my point. But unless the crook has a reason to find my specific address why would he?
 
I'd vote Top 10 but not the dumbest.:D

As someone who spends a lot of time around criminals (alleged and convicted), police officers and prosecutors, I can say that his statement is completely inaccurate.

I see a lot of Condition 3 (who knew the Israelis trained the crooks? They shoot from a horse stance too, Oy Veh!). Heck I even see pistols with the wrong magazines inserted.:D
 
Yes it is, that's my point. But unless the crook has a reason to find my specific address why would he?

Interesting. Isn't the entire point of gun ownership for personal protection being that it "deters crimes against you body/property?" I'd think you'd want neon signs indicating that your crib is a gun-friendly domicile. :confused:
 
If the entire concept of the 2nd Amendment is to promise access to firearms, who cares if the exercising of such is advertised?

Depends on where you reside. In some political climates, it could jeopardize your employment and business relations, as well as social and childcare circles.

Someone wrote a great article about 10 years ago about "coming out" as a "closeted" gun owner, and the repercussions that they encountered (eerily similar to the attitudes of a small town in 1950's America towards an openly gay man, but change to a "tolerant" modern left-leaning city, and the man is a legal gun owner).


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