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Personal guns in the Army?

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by CZ 42, Dec 2, 2007.

  1. CZ 42

    CZ 42 Well-Known Member

    I've heard about soldiers carrying all kinds of weapons in the sandbox. How can you bring your own guns with you? A personal handgun at least? Do you have to pick them up off the field or PX? My plan is to work in a gun shop for the discount and get myself some quality battle weaponry and then bring 'em with me to sign up. Any suggestions for guns would be helpful too.
  2. mp510

    mp510 Well-Known Member

    American soldiers carry what they're issued in the field. There is a General Order prohibiting the carrying of personally owned weapons in Iraq, knives and multi-tools allowed under unit regulations exempted. This serves a number of purposes. First, it ensure you are trained on the weapons your carrying. Secondly, it ensures commonality in parts or magazines. If you could carry whatever, getting repair parts would be a PIA, as would ammo. In a firefight, if you needed one, it would be pretty hard to ask your buddy for an extra mag if he's carrying something different from you.

    If your seriously considering joining, start doing PT. The Army will provide you with the weapons you need (and will be allowed to use) for your job.
  3. yesit'sloaded

    yesit'sloaded Well-Known Member

    Most of my friends that went over got AKs when they got in theatre. They never used them as a primary, but had them s truck guns.
  4. WinchesterAA

    WinchesterAA Well-Known Member

    So how does one acquire something other than an m16/m4 and an m9?
  5. birdbustr

    birdbustr Well-Known Member

    MP510 is right. All branches are this way. I've wished many times that I could have my deer rifle and scope with me instead of that M-14 with the Cheap scope that cost the gov't $800 (Smith and Wesson Scope, what a POS).

    This was covering a VBSS team (Navy Visit Board Search Seizure) from our ship 300-1000 yards away. I know for a fact that they were only sighted in at 25 yards 1 month before we deployed. I wanted to take the weapons to a 300 yard range on my own time and money, but there was just too much red tape to get those rifles off of the ship and out there. Thank god we didn't have any need for covering fire from our ship.

    I would think the only way to get something else is to get it over there. You can't just ship weapons into a combat zone. I guess you would have to take it from the former owner, whether he be dead or captured or whatever.
  6. Geronimo45

    Geronimo45 Well-Known Member

    There's still some limited carry of non-issue weapons. I recall that tankers liked AKs due to the folding stock... or the short length, when operating in tight confines. That was apparently allowed in some units for some time (early on), but then ended.

    As a general rule, no. You will carry the weapon you are issued and you will like it. :p

    You can possess private guns on base - in the US, possibly not at all bases. No idea if they let you bring them outside the US. You are not supposed to carry privately-owned guns outside the wire in a combat zone, AFAIK. There may be exceptions in the regulations for certain parties, or just a willingness to let certain rules slide in some units.

    As for battlefield pickups - you don't know if they're rigged to blow up, or have plain shoddy manufacture so they'd come to pieces on you. You don't know if the insides are rusted... so it's best to leave 'em be.
  7. CZ 42

    CZ 42 Well-Known Member

    So you can't even get accessories like scopes? Couldn't you have it sent in a care package? I've heard of organizations that send troops better M4 stuff, and people that bring there own shotshells and whatnot. I was sure they sold pistols in the PX too. Oh well, I guess the best I can do is acquaint myself with the weapons I might encounter. Safe to say we'll still be in Iraq by the time I get out of college, if Ron Paul isn't elected anyway... Oh, how about issue pistols? Can you buy, say, a H&K USP or 1911 if you don't like the M9?
    And don't some units have choice over their armaments?
  8. Corporal K

    Corporal K member

    Unless you're in a highly specialized unit, you're not going to be able to modify your weapon or carry non-issue weapons. Maybe you could put a different sling on or something to that effect.
    The M4 and M9 (which you probably won't carry at all) are good weapons. They'll do the job.
  9. Bones11b

    Bones11b Well-Known Member

    There are some units with diverse and impressive arms available to them, yet these are still government property not individually owned firearms. Many people see a U.S. soldier on televison or in magazines with an out of the ordinary weapon and assume they are carrying a personally owned weapon. You may see soldiers carrying weapons that seem "cooler" than average, MK23's, 1911's, m14's, semi auto shotguns, etc; these are actually still signed out of an arms room, just like those "ho hum" M4's and M9's.
  10. Twycross

    Twycross Well-Known Member

    I've seen one privately-purchased scope on an issue M4, but I don't know whether that is authorized or just something that was let slide. He wasn't in my company. Every reliable person in my COC that I have queried has stated that all privately owned weapons are prohibited in theater, and I have not seen anything to contradict this.

    PXs do not sell firearms.
  11. Ron James

    Ron James Well-Known Member

    :)CZ 42, Don't take any weapons with you when you go to sign up. You will also not be allowed to take any weapons with you to basic training or advance training, not even a knife ( if they know about it). If you are even sent to Iraq, they may send you to Korea for a year or so. Off times in a combat area there are non issue weapons floating around, but no, in the sand box you will not order any firearms from the Post Exchange. As a lower inelisted person or private nothing, you will not hand carry any personal firearms on a troop movement. Nor will you bring any modern firearms back from Iraq.. You will go through a search and a metal detector. So Just join and use what they give you. :)
  12. DWARREN123

    DWARREN123 Well-Known Member

    The military is acually very anti firearm. Use what you are issued for the mission and have none when you rotate back state side. On post/base your weapons (personal and issued) must be locked up/secured, no concealed carry except as a duty requirement.
    No personal weapons in combat.
    This is my experience for 22 years, retired in 1992.
  13. Bones11b

    Bones11b Well-Known Member

    oh and as a side note soldiers living in the barracks must keep weapons locked in the arms room. This is why many single soldiers store weapons at the homes of soldiers who have living arangements off post. The more weapons you buy the more weapons you will be leaving in the trust of others while you are in basic, advanced training, or on deployments. Would hate to have a nice collection sitting at home while I was stuck in Korea for two years or Germany for four.
  14. wideym

    wideym Well-Known Member

    If you are willing to tempt going to military prison, then by all means take a pistol with you. You can bring just about anything into country, they don't search you going in, but try to sneak something out and you will get caught.

    That said,my Nat.Guard company in Baghdad carried many pistols we found during raids. There were Berretas, Browning HPs, CZ75s, a couple of Glocks, and plenty of crappy haji copied pistols that were just plain dangerous. Since M9s were in short supply our company commander turned a blind eye to our using them. When we turned over our sector for rotation back home we offered the pistols to an active duty unit but they didn't want them. We ended up throwing them in the Tigres river.
  15. possum

    possum Well-Known Member

    we may only use guns that we are issued, we pick up confiscate etc guns all the time all types, we turn them in to the higher hq's, and keep some for training purposes of course. we have found ak's, sks's pshg-41's, glock 19's, walther p99's, ruger p89's, sig pro 9mm's and many others. i reference to keeping hold of siezed weapons, soliders can get into alot of trouble depending on the chin of command.
  16. 1911 guy

    1911 guy Well-Known Member

    Ditto what they said.

    Everyone is absolutely right. Once in a while I got to carry around some odd looking stuff, but every bit of it was Uncle Sam's property.

    And the shotshell thing is bunk, too. You get busted with UA ammo and it's probably going to be NJP, at least.
  17. Onmilo

    Onmilo Well-Known Member

    From what my buddies who are still in tell me, the Military treats every hostile engagement site as a crime scene now and personal weapons of differing calibers or firing pin signatures would just complicate the investigation.

    Leave your personal blaster at home and hope you get issued a short barrel shotgun as a door buster.
  18. rkba_net

    rkba_net Well-Known Member

    The possession of POV's in the sandbox is a violation of General Order Number 1... along with alcohol etc etc...
  19. mljdeckard

    mljdeckard Well-Known Member

    The short answer is forget about it.

    Having said that, my plt sgt, who has deployed to Afghanistan twice, and is headed back again, is taking his USP .45 with him. He is a senior MI NCO who will be working mostly with who we refer to as "OGA"s, "Other Governmental Agencies", in civilian clothes. Part of his job is to keep the enemy guessing as to who he is and who he works for. I talked to him a lot about it, he said, "When you get there, ask your commander what his policy is. He'll probably tell you no way in hell. If he says, 'out of sight, out of mind', then scrounge to see what people who are leaving are selling since they can't take it home with them."

    Meaning, you can't take it in with you, you certainly can't take it home with you, and even if you score a good .45 from someone, you probably want to use FMJ ammo.

    The truth is, if you join the army as a place to use guns a lot, or learn a lot about guns, you're going to be disappointed.
  20. mp510

    mp510 Well-Known Member

    Sounds like a great way to earn an Article 92 UCMJ Violation, up to 2 years imprisonment, and a dishonerable discharge, regardless of what his company commander says he won't pay attention to. That doesn't change the fact that there is a stadning General Order.

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