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Placing blame

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by Oleg Volk, Aug 31, 2008.

  1. Oleg Volk

    Oleg Volk Moderator Emeritus

  2. Duke Junior

    Duke Junior member

    That is very graphic.
    Stunning and startling.
  3. RancidSumo

    RancidSumo Well-Known Member

    Good except I would lose the ! at the end.
  4. HardKnox

    HardKnox Well-Known Member

    I'll say that is certainly a bit more graphic than your usual posters.
    Although I agree with your point, I doubt you'll pull even one fence sitter to our side. Maybe if you dropped the "blood on their hands part" and said something like cho might not have killed 32 people if students were awarded the right to self defense", or something similar, more people would be more likely to consider your point instead of associating that poster with more gun nut rightest bs/propaganda.
  5. Oleg Volk

    Oleg Volk Moderator Emeritus

    VT students from campuscarry.org liked it.

    I have less graphic versions. This one has to punch harder.
  6. Bill2e

    Bill2e Well-Known Member

    Oleg, I respect your point & agree. I just think this one is to over the top IMHO.

    I think most of the posters play well with us, but I am not sure of the impact they have on the outside.
  7. sm

    sm member


    I like it, just as it is.

    It takes what it takes to reach folks; if one does not upset, shock or totally tick off some folks in doing what they do , then they are not doing their best.

    You are doing your best.

    Thank you.

  8. george29

    george29 Well-Known Member

    There was once a succesful show called Scared Straight. Cons taught teens what prison was really like, It was taken off the air because it was too graphic.
    The Spin of life.

  9. Nolo

    Nolo Well-Known Member

    You just gotta be brutal.
    It's a psychological slap in the face, and that's what some well-meaning faculty need.
  10. SaxonPig

    SaxonPig Well-Known Member

    This is the Art History/Visual Arts professor speaking (and I know you teach photo, too). IMO the picture is way too graphic for public consumption. The real person and spreading blood will turn off if not outrage the vast majority of viewers. That's the way it is. They don't want to see reality.

    Better to have a chalk outline with books scattered about to represent the slain students. No blood. No bodies. That's just too real.

    This image will generate charges that we are ghouls. It's too powerful.
  11. az_imuth

    az_imuth Well-Known Member

    Graphic, but certainly gets the point across. I would like to see you make a similar poster displaying cho on the floor with a message stating the likely outcome had one or more of the VT students been allowed the tools with which to defend themselves.

    As a plus, viewers are much less likely to be shocked at the sight of cho's lifeless body.
  12. Mandirigma

    Mandirigma Well-Known Member

    yeah too shocking, I guess 32 murders isn't?
  13. Soybomb

    Soybomb Well-Known Member

    I dig it. There's a time and a place for subtle and there's a time and a place for provocative and controversial. Use each when most advantageous.
  14. Mrs. Armoredman

    Mrs. Armoredman Well-Known Member


    It is graphic it needs to take the blinders off the folks at VT. I would leave it the way it is. That was how it was on the day he took other peoples lives. Keep up the good work.
  15. basicblur

    basicblur Well-Known Member

    While I ain't no English major...
    Wouldn't it be better to say "The blood is on their hands also" or "The blood is also on their hands"?
  16. sm

    sm member

    I hope someone with money will put that poster on a bill board near VT.


    I was born in the mid 50's and personally have enough of this Dumbing Down of Society.

    Sensitivity Training- I have my own suggestion, it is called Reality.

    Having worked in the Main OR, I think VT Admins need to spend 32 hours in a ER and OR.

    I want them to see not only the victims coming in, having rape kits administered, the surgeries, the deaths, the organ harvests.

    I want them in scrubs and right there, and I want them to stand in OR 18 and get the deceased ready for the family to come back and view the deceased.
    I want them to there as the organs are harvested.

    I am fed up with folks shining a seat with their butts, making policy that consists of "comply", "submit" and "don't resist".

    If they cannot handle this, then 32 hours of a shooting facility where they are in settings, where trained persons using force on force and simunitons role play Criminals.

    Dammit I want these Admins to have honest to goodness fear, shame, emotional stress and beat fists against the wall.

    By golly, enough is enough, let them walk 32 minutes in a bad area of town with a cell phone and rape whistle.

    I do not care if folks get upset. Dead is Dead, and Dead is forever.
    Injured, and Maimed is Injured and Maimed and it too has everlasting effects on quality of life.

    Someone with money , do this Poster on a Bill Board, and oh please, let there be a Bill Board that is viewable from Admins offices at VT.


    Screw 'em, feed 'em fish heads and rice!
  17. kingpin008

    kingpin008 Well-Known Member

    Agreed. It is graphic, and it is disturbing, but so was the body count left by that freaking psychopath. I say leave it as it is. People can get safe & tame any day of the week - sometimes they're gonna have to be exposed to something a little more realistic. God forbid anyone get their panties in a twist when it comes to opening their eyes to what can happen when people are forced to be a defenseless part of a madman's bodycount.
  18. Oleg Volk

    Oleg Volk Moderator Emeritus

    This poster is now in the hands of VT students. I think their admins would get to see it before long.
  19. sailortoo

    sailortoo Well-Known Member

    I say go with it, but with the suggested "If only I had a computer to throw", as that seems to "be the answer to self defense" at some colleges now. And sm, why are you so reticent with your feelings? Better to let them out! +1 :D
  20. SomeKid

    SomeKid Well-Known Member

    I hope they post it on campus. Personally, I like the hard punches. I say punch harder. Maybe find a way to point out VT administrators lobbied AGAINST a bill that would have removed restrictions on students carrying, before the massacre. Ask yourself, what if someone had a gun?

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