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Police Chief Speaks the Truth about the Value of Restraining Orders

Discussion in 'Legal' started by Jeff White, Oct 19, 2006.

  1. Jeff White

    Jeff White Moderator Staff Member

    You are responsible for you own safety. Restraining orders and other court actions can't protect you. We know this. It's nice to see the pubhlic being told the truth for once.

  2. bender

    bender Well-Known Member

    yes, good. However, on my first read... after I read about the Chief saying "restraining orders aren't going to save you..." I was hoping to see "she needed a gun".

    FRIENDLY Well-Known Member

    Restraining orders

    they are worth less than toilet paper unless backed up with a means of defence.at least toilet paper has some use.
  4. vito

    vito Well-Known Member

    I have had several female employees over the years tell me of their fear of an ex-boyfriend, husband, etc. that was threatening to do them harm. In several cases the female had procured a restraining order. I always advised them to consider how they would defend themselves if the other party decided to violate the restraining order. Some stated that they would call the police if needed and I then would ask if they were truly confident that the police would respond in time to save them. Some stated that they would carry mace, or a knife or other non-firearm weapon and I always would ask them if they had training in hand to hand or close combat and did they have the skills and strength to use these items successfully. The conversation usually worked around to my recommendation that they procure a handgun, learn how to use it, practice and be vigilant. In at least one case the individual did in fact get a 38 cal revolver, took a course in gun safety and started practicing. Her ex-husband heard that she had the firearm, and maybe it was coincidental but he never make any attempt to assault her.
  5. MarkDido

    MarkDido Well-Known Member

    "...Earl walked right through that restraining order and put her in intensive care"

    Not a big fan of the Dixie Twits, but this seemed appropriate :)
  6. TallPine

    TallPine Well-Known Member

    Wouldn't the elder Williams be some sort of accessory to murder in a case like this:confused:
  7. jcoiii

    jcoiii Well-Known Member

    (In TN) Restraining orders are much different than "Orders of Protection."

    A restraining order means you call the cops and they make the person leave.

    The Order of Protection has specific limits set into it. Both parties have appeared before the judge and offered reasons for/against the order. If the offender violates the Order, it's straight to jail. Even a phone call can violate an order of protection if it's spelled out.

    Granted the Order of protection does no good if the offender just comes over (the first time) and kills the victim, but it can do some good in some cases.
  8. Axman

    Axman Well-Known Member

    A CCW would be a better piece of paper than an OOP. The OOP isn't made of kevlar either!
  9. Crosshair

    Crosshair Well-Known Member

    I think Oleg needs to do a poster on the usefullness of restraining orders. I think something along the lines of:

    *Top caption* In the game "Rock, paper, scissors", scissors beats paper.

    *Photo* (I would go with a bloody, lifeless hand on the ground holding a restrianing order)

    *Bottom Caption* The same is true in real life. She chose paper.

    /Feel free to make this into a poster Oleg.
  10. zoom6zoom

    zoom6zoom Well-Known Member

    I saw one just the other day that I thought was one of Oleg's... it had a woman holding a shotgun with the caption, "an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of restraining orders". Thought I had saved it but can't find it at the moment.
  11. jnojr

    jnojr Well-Known Member

    I wish someone would tell Sheriff Bill Kolendar this. If I attempt to take responsibility for my own safety, I'll be jailed. But, of course, neither his department nor the San Diego Police Department are willing to accept responsibility for my safety, either :fire:
  12. DoubleTapDrew

    DoubleTapDrew Well-Known Member

    All a restraining order does is start a paper trail saying that you were having a problem with that person and feared them. It might help you in court later, provided you are still alive (you took responsibility of your own safety and armed yourself and learned how to use it).
    You'll never hear people saying "I don't understand how this could have happened...I mean...she had a restraining order against him!"
    If the police can get there in time, great. If not, what's plan B?
    You don't have a plan B?
  13. Waitone

    Waitone Well-Known Member

    IIRC a year or so ago a NC legislator introduced legislation mandating a precautionary lecture by a judge upon granting a restraining order. He was supposed to tell the person a RO was not armor and in reality would do nothing to protect her (presumed). I also remember the legislation mandated the issuance of a CCH information pamphlet. Don't know what happened or its current status but it seems to get right to the heart of the matter.
  14. Gunfire

    Gunfire member

    Lautenberg and restraining orders are nothing more than a way to disarm the people. Very few situations require this type of gestapo government intervention. Just look at the recent allegations against Paul McCartney from Heather Mills. Paul and Linda lived together for years without ever any alleged incidents of abuse. Now, all of a sudden, Paul is an abuser that has pushed Heather Mills, held a broken glass to her, ect. ect. I call bs.

    And the classic example of government intervention gone crazy,...Dr. Timothy Emerson, now former doctor and living in poverty.
  15. Erebus

    Erebus Well-Known Member

    The most value I see in a restraining order is that if the attacked had a restraining order prior to defending themselves against the attacker they have much more weight showing it was self defense.

    It may be a wake up call to those that aren't really a threat but are intentionally or unintentionally making someone feel threatened.

    If they are a real threat there aren't many weapons that a sheet of paper can protect you from.
  16. ProguninTN

    ProguninTN Well-Known Member


    I'm with Erebus.
  17. TallPine

    TallPine Well-Known Member

    Rock ? :neener:
  18. lostone1413

    lostone1413 Well-Known Member

    The only restraining order that works is "STOP OR I"LL BANG,BANG,BANG -----------SHOOT"

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