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police confiscate 'cop killer' gun in Far rockaway

Discussion in 'Legal' started by gunsmith, Jul 22, 2006.

  1. gunsmith

    gunsmith member

    May 8, 2003
    Reno, Nevada

    police confiscate 'cop killer' gun in Far rockaway
    By:Stephen Stirling

    Police in Far Rockaway arrested and charged three youths with criminal possession of a weapon Wednesday after a search of their home yielded a powerful type of handgun that has been responsible for more than two-thirds of police officer deaths since 1994, according to the Queens district attorney.

    Police executed a court-authorized raid of the home of William Davis, 21, brother Clarence Davis, 18, and friend Gquan Lloyd, 18, Wednesday morning and found a notoriously powerful Fabrique Nationale 5.7 handgun along with another less-powerful handgun and a bag of cocaine, according to DA Richard Brown. The gun, called a "cop killer" by many for its ability to pierce 48 layers of bullet-proof Kevlar, is the first of its type to be recovered by authorities in New York City.
    "The FN 5.7 is a lethal handgun imported from Belgium and capable of easily penetrating most police vets and plates," Brown said. "While this is the first time that such a deadly weapon has been recovered in New York City, its presence is troubling and makes the job of street cops that much more dangerous."
    Since 1994, 425 of the 616 police officers killed in the line of duty have been killed with a FN 5.7, the DA said.
    The three Far Rockaway residents, all of the Hammel Houses on 81-10 Rockaway Beach Blvd., were arraigned Thursday on charges of criminal possession of a weapon and a controlled substance at Queens Criminal Court in Kew Gardens. If convicted, each could spend up to 15 years in prison.
    Reach reporter Stephen Stirling by email at news@timesledger.com or by phone at (718)229-0300 ext. 162.
  2. Preacherman

    Preacherman Elder

    Dec 20, 2002
    Louisiana, USA
    I call BS on this one. I doubt very much whether even a dozen cops have been killed by the FN 5.7mm - never mind the astronomical total the article cites. Someone's been at the hallucinogens again . . . :rolleyes:
  3. gunsmith

    gunsmith member

    May 8, 2003
    Reno, Nevada
    I know what you mean....

    my brother is a cop in NY
    and he asked me about the five seven...
    I assured him that the AK pistols and AR pistols
    will penetrate his vest too if they manage to outlaw
    the five seven:evil: ...thanks to THR , I know far more about
    guns then my cop brother....but he has a way cuter GF
    and a life....:p
    Last edited: Jul 22, 2006
  4. PCGS65

    PCGS65 Active Member

    Aug 4, 2005
    Well just put the gun in jail..........problem solved................
  5. Devonai

    Devonai Senior Member

    Mar 24, 2003
    What year was the 5.7 introduced? 2003? This is the worst piece of junk article I've ever seen posted here!
  6. KD5NRH

    KD5NRH New Member

    Dec 4, 2005
    Huh? Last I checked, weren't traffic accidents the leading cause of LEO LOD deaths?

    That only leaves 191 deaths by all other causes/weapons combined.

    It's irresponsible reporting to trust such a statistic based on a single source.
  7. Hoppy590

    Hoppy590 Senior Member

    May 25, 2006
    MA :(
    i read a while back that MA wanted to ban 3 guns specificly.
    the S&W 500. wich, ironicly enough is made in springfield MA, is too unweildy and expensive to use in a crime
    the Barret 50 cals, same as above... X10
    and the F&N FiVe SeVeN or how ever its spelt. again FAR too expensive and rare for a common criminal to use

    it seems others are just as ignorant
  8. Cosmoline

    Cosmoline Senior Elder

    Dec 29, 2002
    Los Anchorage
  9. Cesiumsponge

    Cesiumsponge Senior Member

    Nov 6, 2004
    Hah the logic makes my head explode.

    Are we really supposed to believe this article?

    If there were 425 deaths (more importantly, over 2/3 of all cop deaths) directly related to this pistol, there would be many, many more cop injuries, near misses, and incidents involving this particular firearm...all which are prime chances to recover weapons. The evidence lockers are probably stocked full of revolvers, pistols, shotguns, rifles, zip guns, machetes, chainsaws, bludgeoning and cutting objects, and all sorts of improvised weapons but they only found just one of these FN 5.7 pistols since 1994? They must have self-destruct systems or cloaking devices, and once dropped, they activate an internal time travel device to send them back to the 2003/4 n which they were manufactured so they couldn't recover any until recently.

    I'll tell you how that's possible

    The bloody pistol has only existed for several years, the high penetration ammunition is only available to military and law enforcement, and no one goes out and buys a $1000 firearm, waits several weeks, and picks it up to off someone. You could probably break into 10,000 homes with firearms and not even find one of these pistols because they simply aren't widespread.

    I would find it improbable, if not downright impossible to even claim that 5% of any police deaths can be atributed to any one particular make or model firearm. Somehow, in Bizzaro World, 5.7mm ammunition and the 5.7 are twice as popular than all other calibers and firearms combined (including .22LR and 38 special).

    I doubt any law enforcement agents have even been killed by the 5.7mm round, because if it was, the media would be ALL OVER it. I wrote the guy an email but somehow I think it'll fall on deaf ears. This is THE worst article I've seen to date. I've witnessed gross exaggerations but this is plain, unebelievable fabrication that you can't even expect an unknowledgable person (in terms of firearms) would swallow. That is like claiming 3/4 of all traffic-related cop fatalities were done by 2003 Ford Mustangs with the 4.6L V-8 engine, red paint, and the chrome package. It's simply unbelievable on any level.
  10. Norton

    Norton Senior Member

    Mar 10, 2003
    It does appear that the gun wasn't even put into production until 2002-2003. That is one powerful firearm if it can send out pre-natal rays of death to kill police officer 8-9 years before it was even introduced. :rolleyes:
  11. Fosbery

    Fosbery Participating Member

    Jun 21, 2006
    Great Britain
    Why not complain? When ever I see a fautly article in the UK in relation to firearms, I write/email in and get the article changed, or an apology.
  12. answerguy

    answerguy Active Member

    Dec 26, 2002
    Bay City Michigan
    My letter to the paper

    In the article "police confiscate 'cop killer' gun in Far Rockaway" you stated DA Richard Brown saying that a particular gun; the "notoriously powerful Fabrique Nationale 5.7 handgun" has been responsible for "425 of the 616 police officers killed in the line of duty".

    Was this fact checked by any other source? It seems hard to believe that one particular handgun could account for such a large percentage of deaths of Law Enforcement Officers.
    Especially since the handgun in question has only been out since 2004.

    source: http://www.bradycampaign.org/ler/fnh/faq.php

    Q: When did the Five-SeveN first become available to civilians in the US?

    A: FN Herstal debuted the gun and ammunition for sale to civilians in 2004.
  13. EasternShore

    EasternShore New Member

    Dec 7, 2004
    Eastern Shore of Maryland
    NYPD line of duty deaths since 1994:

    Date of Death Rank Last Name First Name Middle Initial
    12/10/2005 Det. Enchautegui Daniel
    11/28/2005 Det. Stewart Dillon H.
    11/24/2004 P.O. Rivera William
    9/10/2004 Det. Parker Robert L
    9/10/2004 Det. Rafferty Patrick H.
    1/31/2004 Sgt. Ferguson Keith A
    3/10/2003 Det. Nemorin James Verneuil
    3/10/2003 Det. Andrews Rodney J
    8/28/2002 P.O. Enton Disdale O
    3/31/2002 Det. Betancourt Jaime
    9/11/2001 P.O. Danz Vincent G
    9/11/2001 P.O. Fazio Robert
    9/11/2001 P.O. Driscoll Stephen P
    9/11/2001 P.O. Pettit Glen K
    9/11/2001 P.O. Dominguez Jerome M
    9/11/2001 P.O. Smith Moira A
    9/11/2001 P.O. D'allara John
    9/11/2001 Det. Vigiano Joseph V
    9/11/2001 P.O. Kloepfer Ronald P
    9/11/2001 Sgt. Gillis Rodney C
    9/11/2001 P.O. Perry John W
    9/11/2001 P.O. Leahy James P
    9/11/2001 P.O. Talty Paul
    9/11/2001 P.O. Langone Thomas M
    9/11/2001 P.O. Valentin, Jr. Santos
    9/11/2001 P.O. Ellis Mark J
    9/11/2001 Sgt. Curtin Michael S
    9/11/2001 Sgt. Roy Timothy A
    9/11/2001 Sgt. Coughlin John G
    9/11/2001 P.O. Weaver Walter E
    9/11/2001 P.O. McDonnell Brian G
    9/11/2001 Det. Richards Claude D
    9/11/2001 P.O. Suarez Ramon
    7/17/2000 P.O. Kelly John Michael
    5/28/2000 P.O. Regan David A
    2/14/1999 P.O. Dziergowski Matthew A
    7/31/1998 P.O. Carter Gerald L
    5/26/1998 P.O. Mosomillo Anthony F
    1/19/1998 Det. Carrington Sean G
    12/11/1997 P.O. Forster Neil A.
    5/19/1997 P.O. Sanchez Anthony W
    12/22/1996 P.O. Davis Charles A
    10/18/1996 Lt. Narvaez Federico
    10/13/1996 P.O. Jones Brian R
    5/21/1996 P.O. Guidice Vincent
    3/14/1996 P.O. Gillespie Kevin
    2/17/1996 P.O. Oddo Charles
    9/25/1995 P.O. Willis David A
    1/21/1995 Det. Boesch Alfred
    12/2/1994 P.O. Cannon Jr. Raymond R
    4/27/1994 P.O. Perez Jose A
    3/15/1994 P.O. McDonald Sean A
    1/25/1994 P.O. DeMutiis Nicholas R

    Official link:


    That ain't 425 even. I'll post my message to the paper shortly.
  14. Spot77

    Spot77 Senior Member

    Apr 1, 2003
    Maybe the terrorists secretly killed 23 police officers with a five seven , then drove a few planes into the twin towers to hide the evidence.
  15. Nightfall

    Nightfall Participating Member

    Feb 24, 2003
    As opposed to the kind that give you sweet little kisses? :rolleyes:

    I won't even address the 425 killed by the 5.7. We've seen some really ridiculous statistics from the other side, but this takes the cake.
  16. EasternShore

    EasternShore New Member

    Dec 7, 2004
    Eastern Shore of Maryland
    Message sent:

    To Whom It May Concern:

    The Article entitled “Police Confiscate “Cop Killer” Gun in Far Rockaway” by Stephen Stirling needs either a retraction or serious corrections. It would appear that Mr. Stirling did no research for this article or to the facts regarding the firearm that was confiscated. A few minutes and the use of a search engine will yield startling facts that are very contradictory to Mr. Stirling’s writings. I will address them case by case.

    Since 1994 only 53 (+/- 1) New York Police officers have been killed in the line of duty. 23 of those officers died on September 11, 2001. On a national level, since 1996, 1,635 officers have died in the line of duty, 886 by various accidents, 740 by felonious acts, of the felonious deaths 589 were shot in the line of duty. Not one search of various media outlets of searching any internet site has yielded a news story or police report of an officer being wounded or killed by an FN Herstal 5.7 firearm of any type.





    The standard FN 5.7 ammunition available in the United States does not penetrate body armor as stated in the article. The ammunition addressed in the article is the FN Herstal SS190 - Armor piercing (AP) round and is only available to police and military. The standard round is the SS196 - Sporting round (Hornady 40 gr. V-max, hollow point lead), (not AP).





    The FN Five Seven Handgun addressed in the article has only been in production for a few years. Not since 1994 as asserted in the article. Specifically 2003/2004.



    Please take the appropriate actions to correct these matters. It is an embarrassment to the DA’s office and LEO’s that are working hard to get criminals off the street to see such inaccuracies in print.

    Thank You,
  17. KadicDeshi

    KadicDeshi Member

    Apr 6, 2004
    Tulsa, OK

    Very nicely put together. My hat's off to you, sir.

  18. Dbl0Kevin

    Dbl0Kevin Participating Member

    May 26, 2004
    Wow......just......wow. I literally laughed out loud when I read that article and saw 1994. Maybe FN has perfected a time machine and isn't letting anyone know yet but somehow the Five Seven managed to get a test ride. :scrutiny:
  19. mogunner

    mogunner New Member

    May 13, 2006
    Central Missouri
    Police confiscate "cop killer" gun in far rockaway

    Agree with the majority. I call B>S on this. This story needs some serious rethinking /retraction :fire: :banghead:
  20. ArmedBear

    ArmedBear Senior Elder

    Sep 8, 2005
    You must be independently wealthy and never sleep!:D

    Or is that only in the US that we get so many such articles?

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