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police euphemism

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by proletariat, Oct 11, 2004.

  1. proletariat

    proletariat Active Member

    I was watching the discovery rescue special on the "north hollywood bank robbery shooting" that had become so imfamous in California. The thing that got me was that the LAPD now carries M4's in their squad cars after that shooting. The funny thing about it was they called the AK-47 "assault rifles" and they called their M4's "urban police rifles" LOL. Last time I checked M4's were labeled 'assault rifles' in California.
  2. Tharg

    Tharg Well-Known Member

    Shhhhhhh yer gonna let everyone KNOW... (rofl)
  3. whiteben

    whiteben Member

    Yes, this is surely some nice doublespeak. On a more serious note, I have heard it suggested a number of times that regular joes should try to use the same equipment (guns and ammo) as the local police. That way when the dead guy's family's lawyer thunders "You purposely loaded your souped up gun with ultra-lethal ammo" you can calmly reply: "I took my cues from my local police force. I figured that it is their business to know about this sort of thing. And if they use Federal Hydra-Shok 40S&W JHPs in their DA/SA Sigs then gosh darn it I figure it is good enough for me."

    Obviously this is a bigger problem in some states than in others.

  4. Matt G

    Matt G Moderator Emeritus

    Excellent point, proletariat.

    BTW, the preferred term is "Patrol Rifle," or "Patrol Carbine." When I was writing a proposal for a rifle policy for my PD, I used the term over and over again.

    Believe it or not, it's a GOOD THING to have the cops carrying the exact same arms that they've been touting were evil. First, they get a bit more educated about them, and don't believe that they're the atomic death ray they've been touted to be, and learn the limitations. Second, they begin to respect them and have some affection for the design. Third, a lot of agencies have to walk on eggs to put "black rifles" into patrol cars, for fear of alarming the public that is afraid of the "militarization" of police. By pointing out the utility of such a rifle in a patrol purpose, they are pretty much answering the same questions they've been asking the citizenry, about why they "need 'assault rifles'". :rolleyes:
  5. Tharg

    Tharg Well-Known Member

    Man that sucks....

    I would be pissed were i a cop(policeman/woman, law enforcement officer whatever) if someone told me that i wasn't allowed to have "x" gun for use in a situation.

    I'm sure that is the case however, since doesn't any armament have to be approved etc etc? (asking cause i think that statement is true - but don't know since i'm not in a law enforcment field)

    Course looking back - if the police knew this and that - i heard (online boards i know...) that they went to a local gun shop asking for assault weapons.... i don't know i'd not have gone for a bolt action... in some nice calibre... heheheh Not like those guys in the video were trying to hide - less you count hiding behind the body armour....


    IMHO police should be able to use anything that is available... (course - i think that of civilians too- rofl) to arm your enforcement arm w/ anything less is to ask them to try to catchup /w training etc what they don't get in usuable arms... and thats wrong IMO.

    but then - there are those people who are prolly against me owning a fully auto weapon that think the police shouldn't either... bleh...

  6. RevDisk

    RevDisk Well-Known Member

    That's pretty much my opinion too. Police should be able to have anything civvies have. Of course, I don't like that they can get weapons banned for civilian application.
  7. Tharg

    Tharg Well-Known Member

    heh right... and wrong? <rofl>

    Supposedly we "trust them w/ our lives" - and yet they are unable to get anything we can-not get..?

    interesting line of thought....

    either way - its just sad that anyone can't own whatever they wanna... the legal ramnifications have had little to do on criminal behavior since long before the US came to be a country.

  8. benEzra

    benEzra Moderator Emeritus

    The fact that police widely use pistol-gripped, detachable-mag selfloaders as patrol rifles is an excellent counter to the prohibitionist argument that such rifles "have no other purpose than to kill as many people as possible without reloading" by being "spray fired from the hip," ad nauseaum.
  9. Carlos Cabeza

    Carlos Cabeza Well-Known Member

    Right before the AWB expired the T-Town PD (Tulsa, OK.) announced that they were going to equip their officers with EBR's. They said they wanted to have the same equipment that the BG's had.
  10. carpettbaggerr

    carpettbaggerr Well-Known Member

    We're arguing about rifles when the framers envisioned privately owned battleships .

  11. PATH

    PATH Well-Known Member


    Cops are not soldiers ergo they are civilians. I am sorry but I just had to say that!
  12. Zundfolge

    Zundfolge Well-Known Member

    So are the M4s carried by LAPD select fire?

    If not then they are speaking accurately ... the AK-47s used in the North Hollywood Shootout were Assault Rifles by the correct definition ... if the M4s the LAPD are packing are only semi auto then they are not actually Assault Rifles (at least as defined by the military and us gunnies)
  13. WT

    WT Well-Known Member

    I thought the LAPD got a bunch of surplus M16A1's from the US Army? Free. All LAPD had to do was pay shipping.
  14. Jim K

    Jim K Well-Known Member

    A while back a news story in the Washington Post said that a criminal armed with a Beretta semi-automatic assault handgun had been shot by a state police officer using his service pistol. Guess what kind of pistol the state police use. Same gun, only the definitions are loaded.

  15. tetleyb

    tetleyb Well-Known Member

    Dang, don't get your panties in a wad...

    Thin The Herd
  16. ceetee

    ceetee Well-Known Member

    If that's true, then I have in my very own glovebox, a "Smith and Wesson Model 686 Assault Revolver"...
  17. Mannlicher

    Mannlicher Well-Known Member

    You would think with the ineffectiveness of the .223 rifles they finally did scare up, they would smell the reality, and carry M1A or FALs. That .308 is a LOT more effective against guys wearing vests than the .223.
  18. rock jock

    rock jock Well-Known Member

    I remember in early Sept, the police chief of Miami was on CNN and he was complaining about how his officers were going to be outgunned if the AWB expired. I wanted to reach through the TV and throttle this guy. Setting aside all the lies contained in that statement, I wanted to ask him why his PD was not trained and equipped with AR's in their patrol cars. If they were outgunned, it was his fault, not mine.
  19. PATH

    PATH Well-Known Member


    On occasion I get a wedgie. I don't wear "panties" thus couldn't get a pair in a wad.:D Fact is though that all cops are civilians.;)
  20. WEPS

    WEPS Well-Known Member

    mannlicher "You would think with the ineffectiveness of the .223 rifles they finally did scare up, they would smell the reality, and carry M1A or FALs. That .308 is a LOT more effective against guys wearing vests than the .223."

    with all do respect mannlicher, you are mistaken. a 223 will pierce things a 308 wouldn't. i know this from personal experieces in the field. 5.56 is a very leathal round. that being said i would still prefer 7.62x51

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