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Possible Wolf supply chain interruption?

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by BammaYankee, Aug 8, 2008.

  1. BammaYankee

    BammaYankee Well-Known Member

    With a new war now seemingly underway in Russia, will the supplies of Wolf ammo and other imports be cut off? Maybe we should stock up asap....

  2. exar

    exar Well-Known Member

    Do you really think the Russian armed forces use Wolf? They may be cheap, but I have a hard time believing a professional army would use steel cased ammo of Wolf quality(not that Wolf is TOO bad, but I wouldn't supply my army with it). I have no data or experience to back that claim up.
  3. BammaYankee

    BammaYankee Well-Known Member

    I was always under the impression that Wolf was nothing more than military surplus repackaged in a 'fancy' black cardboard box...
  4. CharlesAFerg

    CharlesAFerg Member

    agreed, no way they use steel cased ammo - probably some old factory converted to make it, i doubt it has a direct government affiliation.

    Besides, I doubt this will have much of an interruption, as this probably isn't going to be much of a "war" for the russian, even compared to the drawn out Chechen conflict, because for the most part the military is dealing with a government entity and a traditional military, not guerrillas like in Chechnya.
  5. Halo

    Halo Well-Known Member

    Wolf comes from the same ammo factories that churned out rounds for the Soviet military. The Russians absolutely do use steel case ammo.
  6. From where did you get this tidbit of information?
  7. kingpin008

    kingpin008 Well-Known Member

    I don't see why they wouldn't use steel-cased ammunition. It's been used pretty widely by militaries around the world to fight their conflicts. It's cheaper to manufacture than brass-cased (obviously) and as far as function - well, ever hear the expression "good enough for Gov't work"? They're not going to care if a few rounds here and there have issues - an army needs quantity, not quality.
  8. alex_trebek

    alex_trebek Well-Known Member

    All surplus 7.62x 39 and 7.62x54R are steel cased. Every once in a while one finds a brass cased round. I assume that the 5.45x39 is also steel cased.

    The wolf factories are the former government owned factories that were privatized in the wake of soviet union's collapse.
  9. exar

    exar Well-Known Member


    Russian military does use some steel cased ammo (not all though). When they want the job done it appears that they do use brass quite often, especially Special Forces. Wolf is a private company that produces ammo for mass consumption, nothing more. If Wolf has a government contract, then I haven't seen the proof yet. That's not to say some Russian units haven't procured any, I'm just saying I haven't seen Wolf contracted out by the Russian military.

    Another little gem for ya'.

  10. Halo

    Halo Well-Known Member

    In fact I can safely say that I have never encountered any brass cased Russian ammo. Not saying it doesn't exist somewhere, but I have sure never seen it. Yugoslavia was the only Eastern Bloc nation that widely used brass cased ammo, to my knowledge. The ComBloc ammo supply was overwhelmingly steel cased, and it remains so in Russia today.
  11. Halo

    Halo Well-Known Member

    Wolf doesn't need a government contract because, as the Wikipedia article points out, it is a clearinghouse company. The production is done by other manufacturers and Wolf slaps their name on the box. Those same producers do supply the forces of Russia and other countries, but they certainly don't go through a commercial clearinghouse like Wolf.
  12. exar

    exar Well-Known Member

    Noone is questioning the uses of steel cased ammo. The OP, and I, question the use of Wolf by the Russian armed forces.
  13. CharlesAFerg quite clearly said there was no way they used steel-cased ammo. I think we are just wondering what his source for this information is.
  14. Halo

    Halo Well-Known Member

    I think it may boil down to a question of semantics then. I also doubt the Russian forces use anything obtained through Wolf, but it is almost a certainty that they use ammo produced in the same factories identical in every respect other than headstamp and packaging.
  15. exar

    exar Well-Known Member

    Gotcha. Browsed over that post too quickly. Man, you suckers are quick on the draw today. I can barely type quick enough. I guess it is Friday, not much going on in my office, either.:neener::cool:
  16. alex_trebek

    alex_trebek Well-Known Member

    Even if they do, I doubt this conflict will last long enough to cause a serious delay. Granted I don't know much about either side, or the history between the two. I do know that Russia has been spending a lot of money on their military lately. It would be idiotic for them to be buying planes, bombs, etc and no ammo. In other words, I am willing to bet that Russia has enough of a surplus for this conflict.
  17. exar

    exar Well-Known Member

    That's what I would assume as well. Unfortunately I can't find anything that lists the Russian suppliers by name.
  18. Drgong

    Drgong Well-Known Member

    depends on how long this war lasted, then agian, did the chechen conflict impact Wolf Ammo?
  19. Halo

    Halo Well-Known Member

    We are definitely seeing a resurgent Russia, buoyed by the price of energy, of which they have large reserves in the form of oil and gas. Another sign is that they've resumed long range patrols of Tu-95 bombers, which had ended with the collapse of the Soviet Union. They still have a ways to go but I think the days of the crippled Bear are behind us.
  20. M1911

    M1911 Well-Known Member

    Take a look at a world map. Look at the size of Russia. Now look at the size of Georgia. Russia has a population of 141M people. Georgia has a population of 4.6M people. If Russia is really serious about this, they'll wipe Georgia off the map like they did to Chechnya.

    The war in Chechnya didn't exactly stop ammo exports from Russia. Nor will this if it actually turns into a war rather than a border skirmish.

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