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Post your stories of people trying to do straw purchases/other illegal buys.

Discussion in 'Legal' started by Crosshair, Aug 13, 2006.

  1. Crosshair

    Crosshair Well-Known Member

    A few days ago we had someone try to make a straw purchase at the Wal-Mart I work for. A man had a Mossberg Plinkster on layaway and came to buy it. He paid off the layaway and want to do the 4473. NICS denied the sale right off the bat. The man was "shocked" and my co-worker gave the man the info so he could dispute the denial if it was an error. Now here is where the stupid starts to show. The man says he doesn't need the info, he will just have his brother come in and buy it. Of course my co-worker tells him that that is illegal and to get in contact with NICS to get the error corrected. The man says OK, goes and cancels the layaway and leaves. My co-worker thinks that mabee the man just wasn't up to the US gun laws, but lets our manager know anyway just in case they try a straw buy.

    OK, not even 3 hours this large family comes in and lo and behold they want to buy a Mossberg Plinkster without even asking any questions, looking at what else we carry, even taking a look at the gun in the display case. (Note: The Mossberg Plinkster may be cheap, but we do not sell many of them at my store. Most people buy Marlins, Rugers, or Henrys.) They talk to the same co-worker who denied the first sale. Alarm bells are going off already and my co-worker asked to see ID so they can photocopy it for records. Now we get into, "Tales of the Criminaly Stupid".

    Not only does the man wanting to buy the gun have the same last name as the person we denied the sale to earlier, they have THE SAME ADDRESS. (Guess they didn't think that we saved denied 4473s.) Co-worker gets the manager who confronts them. They deny any relationship dispite the evidence and say they live in an apartment and it must be a neighbor. Sorry, my town is not that big, (50,000) that address is a single family home and nowhere near any apartments. (I got to look at both 4473's after they left.) By the way, if it was an apartment, then why isn't there an apartment number on your ID or 4473 sir? The manager and co-worker knew they where lying. Manager told them (In nicer terms) to get the hell out of the store before he called the police on them. They then unsuccessfuly tried to play the race card and finaly left. (They where Hispanic) Manager then wrote a note telling everyone not to sell to anyone with that address and/or last name.

    I don't know if the first man was a criminal or if it was an error. But he certainly isn't getting it from us now, regardless of what NICS says.

    Anyone else have stories like this? Do they really think we are that stupid?:fire:
  2. mrwiggins

    mrwiggins Active Member

    whats illegal about this again?

    seems trivial and stupid. as long as someone is 18 i'll do a private party sale. (straw purchase) i thought was getting a gun for a criminal or someone under 18
  3. WeedWhacker

    WeedWhacker Well-Known Member

    The only folks who should ever be able to attempt "illegal" firearm purchases would have a wee bit of trouble getting to K-Mart because they are locked up in jail/prison. If you've paid your debt to society, then you're a citizen again. This half-assed "prison without walls" bullcrap is maddening. If a man's a criminal, lock him up, for Pete's sake. Else, leave him be.

    An added benefit to allowing free citizens (i.e. not behind bars) to purchase firearms is that NICS instantly becomes obsolete, and hence no more mystery "you can't have a gun not gonna tell you why" black box.

    Possible exceptions might be made for kids under 18... but then if the parents deign to allow the kid a firearm, that should be their decision. You know, like most parental decisions. Of times past.
  4. Phenom

    Phenom Well-Known Member

    I personally know a woman who did straw purchases for her husband with two DV convictions. The woman is a trouble maker who absolutely isn't happy unless she has started a fight. The husband on average drinks three pints of vodka and three 30-packs a beer a week. They have proven to me that they don't need anything remotely dangerous. I have called every gunshop within a 75 mile radious and told them to be on the look out.
  5. Apple a Day

    Apple a Day Well-Known Member

    I have made several straw purchases over the years and even more mulch purchases. Occassionally I make topsoil purchases but that's almost always in the spring before planting a new garden.
    Do we really want to post food for the trolls and ammo for the anti's? Think about that before you start regaling the entire planet with stories of illegal purchases. :scrutiny:
  6. i was at a going out of business sale of a gun shop and 4 guys were admiring the Glock 30s which were on sale for 439.95- a pretty good price- I gathered from their discussions that they were probably federal agents who were from out of town with a local agent. They wanted to buy a couple of the Glocks but were told that they couldnt buy them with an out of state driver license.
    The local guy said " Well I'll buy it for you." At that point 3 other customers who were standing at the counter all chimed in " No, you cant, thats a straw purchase". That was the end of that sale. Sorry guys...
  7. gunsmith

    gunsmith member


    I would venture it's a pretty safe bet that thr doesn't condone straw purchase of fire arms in any manner.
  8. 1 old 0311

    1 old 0311 member

    G.Gordon Liddy says " I don't own any guns, I am a convicted fellon. My wife? She has LOTS."
  9. hammer4nc

    hammer4nc Well-Known Member

    This happened to me...

    I was in Davi's/Raleigh recently, looking at gun safes, when the cell phone in my pocket rang. Almost immediately, two employees pounced, frantically telling me to shut off my phone! Apparently, cell phone bans in gunstores are the latest common-sense response aimed at combating straw purchases.

    I'll also note that the local ATF office has filmed its "don't lie for the other guy" public service TV announcement from within the store. They must have received special permission to bring recording equipment into the store. :eek:

    For this and other reasons (notably the attitude of their range officers), I no longer shop there. I still go to the knife showcase, just to handle the latest nifty assisted openers, prior to buying on the internet, though.
  10. Crosshair

    Crosshair Well-Known Member

    I mean this thread for us to share stories of the NICS system working and vigilant employees using existing gun laws to prevent people who are forbiden to own guns from owning them. I meant it to show that the existing system is working. Looks like it isn't going that way.:eek:
  11. Derby FALs

    Derby FALs Member In Memoriam

    They wouldn't be getting any of my money...
  12. 308win

    308win Well-Known Member

    There was an article in the Saturday Dispatch about a retired Columbus police officer who had several hundred firearms in last 2-3 years. He is prohibited from buying so his wife and father-in-law were buying them. Several had been involved in crimes in Ohio and other states. I imagine he is going to spend some time in prison for multiple convictions.

    Here is link
  13. Lupinus

    Lupinus Well-Known Member

    at my job I wont let people get away with buying smokes for people that arent supposed to have them, hell if I'd put up with the penalties of letting someone do what is an outright straw buy.
  14. Derby FALs

    Derby FALs Member In Memoriam

    Lord, help my grand babies...

  15. Harry Paget Flashman

    Harry Paget Flashman Well-Known Member

    The FFL I use at a local gun store told me a few years back that during a BATFE inspection they were more interested in xeroxing 1473 forms of people (like me) who made multiple firearms purchases over a short period of time or a lot of purchases during the year. Kind of like a guy would do with disposable cash and a hobby. The FFL said that in the previous year these kind of gun buyers who fit that profile actually got a knock at their door by BATFE and that I might expect one. It never came.

    Point of the story is that my FFL said he had a stack of NICs declined 1473's and some that he had refused sale before the NIC's check because he suspected a straw purchase. The inspecting agent was not interested in pursuing the dubious 1473's...they just wanted the names of people who bought "too many" guns.
  16. The Guy

    The Guy Well-Known Member

    Typical BATF&E. Ignore potentail problems to persue non existing ones. I always wonder who will get burned up next.:mad:

    Ah, the joys of F-Troop! Where evey gathering can be a BBQ!
  17. cassandrasdaddy

    cassandrasdaddy Well-Known Member

    cell phone?

    forgive my ignorance but why would they stop you from using cell phone?

    as to illegal sales i grew up near dc and lived in the city probably seen more illegal than legal. our sad lil joke was need a gun? know anyone still in high school?let therm buy it
  18. Sheldon J

    Sheldon J Well-Known Member

    My youngest son works at Dunham’s and one day a guy and gal came in to buy a riffle, he instructed her as to what he wanted and for her to do the 4473. My boy told them that if the gun was for him then for him to fill out the form and do the NICS, he refused and told her to, since they were paying for it was none of his business. Smelling a guy that could not pass the NICS the boy refused the sale and told them to get out of the store. The guy became very irritated and started to threaten my son, who is 6’7” and front defensive line, this amused him and he told them again to get lost before he did a 911 on them, they left very fast.:neener:
  19. Wiley

    Wiley Well-Known Member

    Crosshair, if you want good "straw purchase" stories talk to Bloomingidiot up in NYC. He makes up good ones.
  20. sacp81170a

    sacp81170a Well-Known Member

    What burns me about all this is that nothing ever happens to those who fill out a 4473 knowing that they won't pass the NICS check. If they lied on the form and signed it, it's falsifying an official document at the very least. Oh wait, I forgot, NICS isn't meant to actually catch and prosecute criminals for their crimes. It was supposed to be the first step toward total registration, which would then pave the way for confiscation, the dream of the Brady Bunch. Hopefully we won't all go the way of Kommiefornia. :barf:

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