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POWDER RECALLS - - Compiled information

Discussion in 'Handloading and Reloading' started by Johnny Guest, Oct 31, 2003.

  1. zinzan

    zinzan New Member

    Apr 11, 2009
    Saint louis, MO.
    none are a problem for me as I just snort the stuff
  2. cliffy

    cliffy member

    Aug 11, 2008
    Southwestern Michigan

    Recalls generally over-react to minor defects: I've found IMR Trail Boss Cheerios within my Hodgdon Clays powder more than once. NO Big deal! These powder structures are close to the SAME burn speeds. I actually tried to remove some Cheery little O's of Oats. Then I realized that the end result meant NOTHING performancewise. BURN SPEED is the main variance twixt powders. H4350 and RL-25 are extremes of burn rate, and are NOT compatible in performance! cliffy
  3. sniper1259

    sniper1259 New Member

    Sep 4, 2009
    i remember a .44mag in 31 peices that i saw in a gun shop on display once, the caption at the bottom said "one too many +P+ super hot loads, former owner survived, still has one good eye and one good hand"
    must have been his most embarasing moment, he skipped the first rule of reloading, SAFETY!! and got caught by the physics of pressure!!

    this law of physics DOES NOT CHANGE FOR ANY REASON, EVER!!!

    if a manufacture of powder is willing to go thru the embarasment of a recall. we have the duty as responsable reloaders TO LISTEN!!!!

    a recal IS embarasing!! they have to own up to a mistake and then correct it. this is usualy expensive in terms of time money and customers.

    dont just "blow"it off when they say they have a problem, or when you find IMR anything in some other powder that you already know shouldent be there!!

    "BURN SPEED is the main variance twixt powders" is very true. and the speeds are so fast the result is a loud boom.

    according to some of my info obtained from a National arsonal (dont ask which or how i got it) WIN 231 is very similar to the powder used in .45 ACP and 9MM rounds used by our military. (this is why i wont tell where or how) but 5 grains of 231 in a .45 ACP burns in about .00012 seconds or 1.2 1/10,000 sec. resulting in about 750 fps on a 230g bullet. this is not the actual load used by the US Mil. but close.
    the 9MM with the same load of 5 grains 231 under a 115 FMJ spire point burns in .00008 sec. you will notice it is faster due to the smaller cartridge size and the pressure rises faster contributing to the faster speed of the burn as well.

    these were done with machined Quartz glass chambers much like the testing done on engines in the automotive industry, and costs about $15,000 per shot. not cheep!!

    i for one intend to keep my head (and other body parts ) functioning for the rest of my life and will heed the "opps factor" of a recall.

    oh, and i checked most of the links given here, some are not working, some are, i figure some of the recalls are over for the some not working.

    be careful !!! iv been reloading for over 35 years with no probs yet and i intend to keep it that way.
  4. alan

    alan Senior Member

    Dec 24, 2002
    sowest pa.
    In my opinion, for whatever that might be worth, readers should pay close attention to the now and then powder and or loaded ammunition recalls, as same are NOT lightly undertaken by powder and or ammunition makers. They are serious warnings, not casual utterances of public relations flaks. Enough said.
  5. Marlin 45 carbine

    Marlin 45 carbine Senior Member

    Jul 15, 2007
    South-Western North Carolina
    can anyone expound on the Blue Dot caveat for the .357? and are magnum primers called for with this powder?
  6. orrwdd

    orrwdd New Member

    Nov 15, 2009
    Rigby, Idaho
    I recently read elsewhere that some of the new production powders require slightly reduced loads in the manuals due to new formulas etc.

    I recently returned to the shooting sports after a 5+ year hiatus due to medical problems and have several pounds of Alliant and Accurate powders on hand.

    If there is anyone else out there that have old powders on hand, I plan to use the old manuals to determine loads when reloading with my existing powders.

  7. P95Carry

    P95Carry Moderator Emeritus

    Jan 3, 2003
    South PA, and a bit West of center!
    Two comments - Marlin 45 - not sure of meaning of ''caveat" - maybe I didn't read back far enough. Anyways, JMO but Blue Dot is somewhat on the edge for .357 if loads get heavy - bit fast perhaps. I would not think mag primers necessary. I f a wish to push top loads and add mag primers then slower powders like 2400, N110, H-110 etc would be keeping pressures more within limits.

    orrwdd ....... re your question. - I have been reloading near 30 years and have always had some old stock powders in use but reached the stage periodically where I have replaced stock with newer production of same designation. Indeed everything suggests there can be a difference between latest version and the old.

    IMO tho I reckon that if you do not load to max previously then probably you can continue to use your old loads. That said if a load is ''up there'' already then I reckon it'd be wise to back off - say - 5% and re assess with tests.

    One example of major change in physical appearance was 2400 - my old stock was almost a flake powder which in .44 mag always left unburned flakes (good at getting under revo star!) ........ whereas new stuff is a fine almost micro tubular/rod shape. I used that for some .44 mag loads (forget charge right now) and because original load was a good bit below max just carried on using new stuff with same charge - did not notice any significant differences tho it burns much cleaner.

    Re manuals ...... I still use Lyman 47 and Speer 13 a lot and these are not that old but also I have load data going back 2 or more decades for Hercules, Vitavhuori etc. There is little doubt that comparing old loads with new, manufacturers have backed off - maybe for legal reasons - such that most recent loads are probably ''safer''. So new powders with new load data probably stay well safe but - old load data could be much nearer limits and so care advisable with using those with new powder production.

    If in doubt - play it safe and if using old data then I think the 5% reduction approach could be worthwhile just so as to establish safe limits. This maybe is most important with the fast "Bullseye" type powders.
  8. birdshot8's

    birdshot8's Active Member

    Jan 20, 2008
    north platte, ne
    after reading this sticky, i checked a container of h4227 i bought a while back. the container was not stamped with a lot number but had an orange adhesive sticker on the bottom of the can with a 11 digit number. would this be the lot number?
  9. mmorris
    • Contributing Member

    mmorris Member

    Jul 24, 2008
    Southern Illinois
    Yes, I called about the orange sticker on a can of Win 231 and it breaks down like this:

    8=container size in pounds
    032310=date (Mar 23, 2010)
  10. alan

    alan Senior Member

    Dec 24, 2002
    sowest pa.
    another aspect of this gun powder (propellant) business, older versions v. new versions with altered formulations and differing burn rates is lot to lot variation in current production runs.

    An example of this is the following, personal experience loading 30-06 ammunition, using the then available DuPont IMR 4895, which I used to buy in "bulk", 20# drums when such were available.

    Going from one container/lot number to another, different production lot, I noticed "sticky bolt lift" in some loads, and what appeared to be slight primer cratering, nothing "serious" but curious. Brass, primers and bullets were a constant. I reworked the load, ending up with a charge REDUCED by about 1.5grains. Lot to lot variations are something to consider.
  11. Jim F. Barham

    Jim F. Barham New Member

    Sep 15, 2011
    Jim, member. I need a little help on reloading for 9mm. 8th ed. Hornady handbook shows 124gr. fmj-rn, using Unique, 4.0 - 5.0 gr., while Speer handbook shows 5.2 - 5.8 gr. This variation perplexes me. I have been reloading for over 40 years, and recently got a Dillon 550B. I reload for 7 calibers, but using the Hornady figures, i have had several failure to eject because of insufficient power. Anyone out there willing to help? Thanks, guys.
  12. NCsmitty

    NCsmitty Mentor

    Jun 29, 2008
    North Carolina
    Welcome to THR, Jim F. Barham.

    You'll likely have a better response if you post your questions in the reloading section.

    I recommend using the data of the people who make the powder. They seem to correlate with the Speer data.


  13. P-32

    P-32 Participating Member

    Feb 6, 2005
    the dry side of Washington St
    Speer and Blue Dot have been having problems for years. A little back ground....Speer 9 had 357 Blue Data, Speer 10 did not. It seems they got too light on a couple of bullet weights and damaged some guns.

    Speer 11 came out with new 357 Blue Dot data and holy batman, it was HOT! Way over hot. I had a buddy who had a barrel seperate from his frame. I use Blue Dot for my favorite 357 load and it works well. Middle of the road in a Speer 9, below starting loads in a Speer 11. It seems there was a problem with the load with 125 gr. bullets. I'm not sure what happened, but I think they damaged a pistol with their super duper #11 Blue Dot data.

    Looking at a Speer 13, there is Blue Dot data for the 357 Mag. The data is much more sane it seems.

    For example, Speer 9 had starting load of 13.5 grs and a max load of 14.5 grs of Blue Dot for a 125 gr. HP bullet using a CCI 500 primer.

    Like I said Speer 10 had no 357 Blue Dot data in any bullet weight.

    Speer 11 had 14.3 starting with a max of 16.3 grains of Blue Dot with the same 125 gr HP using a CCI 500 primer.

    I don't have a Speer 12, but the Speer 13 listed 11.5 grs starting with a max of 13.0 grs. of Blue Dot for the same 125 gr. HP bullet using a CCI 500 primer.

    Just for grins, a Nosler #4 listed a starting load of 11.8 grs and a max of 12.8 grs of Blue Dot with a 125 gr bullet and CCI 500 primer.

    An old Sierra manuel showed for the 125 gr. bullet a starting load of 13.2 with a max of 14.9 using a CCI 500 primer.

    An old Hornaday reloading manuel shows a starting load of 10.4 grs with a max of 13.7 grs of Blue Dot with a 125 gr. HP and using a Federal 200 primer.

    If I remember right, ,Blue Dot would get almost explosive or detonate if too light of load. I do know using Speer 9 data for a 125 gr. bullet would make the sun light seem dim compaired to the flash of the Blue Dot.

    I also think I remember a warning in the Speer 9 about reducing the recommeded load for the 146 gr. half jacket as the jacket could come loose in the bore.

    I find it interesting there have been no complaints from Hornaday or Serria about Blue Dot but still extreme from one end to the other with one max at the others starting.

    Blue Dot uses standard primers, as it is easy to light. I use mostly Federal pistol primers as there has been a little spring work done. Blue Dot does not need a heavy crimp, only a light one if any.
    Last edited: Dec 17, 2011
  14. blarby

    blarby Mentor

    Feb 25, 2011
    Calapooia Oregon
    Hornady® Recalls 7 Lots of 500 S&W 300 grain FTX®
    Custom™ Pistol Ammo

    Grand Island, NE – Hornady® Manufacturing announced the recall of seven lots of 500 S&W 300 gr. FTX® Custom™ pistol ammunition. Hornady ballisticians have determined that some cartridges from Lot numbers 3101327, 3110256, 3110683, 3110695, 3110945, 3111388, 3111885, may exhibit excessive chamber pressures. Use of this product may result in firearm damage and/or personal injury.

    Product Recall Details:
    Item number 9249
    500 S&W 300 grain FTX® Custom™ Pistol Ammunition. These lots were shipped between September 9, 2010, and October 17, 2011.

    Included Lot Numbers:
  15. Samari Jack

    Samari Jack Member

    Nov 16, 2010
    Opps, posted on wrong thread.
    Last edited: May 16, 2012
  16. Doc Loch

    Doc Loch New Member

    Oct 9, 2012
    Regarding Blue Dot and the .357, I have had exactly the same problem with the 125 gr jsp! Now I know why! Backed out primers and sticking cases in the cylinder! YIKES. Time to dismantle. I thought that I had made some error somewhere! I've been using online manuals since!
    Last edited: Oct 10, 2012
  17. blarby

    blarby Mentor

    Feb 25, 2011
    Calapooia Oregon
    Product Safety Recall Notice

    Warning - Do Not Use

    Remington 338 Lapua Magnum

    250 Grain Scenar Match Ammunition Lot Nos. L13SA29L, L13SA29R, L13SB29L, or L13SB29R

    Remington has determined the above lots may have been improperly loaded. Improper loading may cause malfunctions which may result in damage to the firearm, serious personal injury or death.


    Remington 338 Lapua Magnum 250 Grain Scenar Match Ammunition Lot Nos. L13SA29L, L13SA29R, L13SB29L, or L13SB29R

    To identify Lot numbers:

    For CASES, the Lot Number is stenciled on the outside of the case; and,
    For BOXES, the Lot Number is stamped on the inside flap of the box.
    If you have any of the ammunition identified above, immediately discontinue use and contact Remington at 1-800-243-9700, Prompt #3. We will arrange for return shipment and, upon receipt, will send replacement ammunition at no cost.

    If you are unsure if you have one of these Lots or if you have mixed boxes of ammunition, please immediately discontinue use and contact Remington.

    For any consumer questions or instructions on how to return product, contact the Consumer Service Department at 1-800-243-9700, Prompt #3.

    We apologize for any inconvenience this may cause.

    Safety First

    Always observe the Ten Commandments of Firearm Safety and wear approved eye and ear protection anytime you are shooting.

    September 19, 2012.

  18. blarby

    blarby Mentor

    Feb 25, 2011
    Calapooia Oregon

    5.56 Winchester recall.

    symbol zgq3308
    Lot wcc10m106-004


    M855 pene's / m855 ball 62 gr

    only lot recalled
  19. blarby

    blarby Mentor

    Feb 25, 2011
    Calapooia Oregon
    4007sc recall

    Looks likely that we have a recall of 4007Ssc powder.

    Can't post in the powder recall sticky , too old.

    More details to follow, until then, discontinue use of 4007Ssc until all lot numbers can be determined.


    Powder is IMR 4007 SSC
    Lot numbers affected are 10130139, 10131139, 10429139, 10430139, 80425139 and 80426139.
    Last edited by a moderator: Sep 3, 2015
  20. evtSmtx

    evtSmtx Member

    Apr 18, 2015
    San Marcos, TX

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