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Primer trouble or is it me

Discussion in 'Handloading and Reloading' started by Sauer Grapes, Dec 4, 2010.

  1. Sauer Grapes

    Sauer Grapes Well-Known Member

    I just started reloading 9mm. I've shot about 300 rounds so far with 16 duds. I'm using CCI primers. Is this normal or am I doing something wrong while seating the primers? i've hit them 3 and 4 times till their caved in and, nothing.
    I reload shotgun a lot and can't remember the last time I had a primer not go off after a 2nd strike.

    HOWARD J Well-Known Member

    Are you getting any resizing lube on these primers?
    Lube will kill the primers.
    New or old primers?

    Do you have gunpowder in the cases?
  3. Walkalong

    Walkalong Moderator

    99% of primer problems come from not seating them fully. Make sure they are at least a hair below flush.

    The other 1% is weak springs.

    That's a lot of duds for 300 rounds.
  4. Sam1911

    Sam1911 Moderator

    I've had a few failures to ignite when using VERY light springs in a revolver. Otherwise I'd say zero "duds" in many MANY tens of thousands of rounds. (A few squibs once because of a faulty powder measure, but no duds.)

    Something is VERY wrong.

    Try another batch of primers. Try another brand of primers. Make sure they're seated just below flush. That is horridly unacceptable!
  5. Starter52

    Starter52 Well-Known Member

    I agree that it might be a weak spring. Does your gun fire factory ammo 100%?
  6. Sauer Grapes

    Sauer Grapes Well-Known Member

    I just bought the primers. As far as lube goes, I spray just a tad of furniture polish on a piece of flannel cloth and roll them on it just to slick them up a little with the old primer still in the case. I don't spray directly on the cases and use very little.

    I did notice a few of the primers could have been seated a little farther but isn't the case with most.

    I don't know, the place I bought the primers is a new business. I assume all his stock is current. I 'm going to buy some primers somewhere else just out of curiosity. Like I said I'm new to the metalic loading.

    I shoot 2 different 9mms. It does it with both guns. My taurus does seem to hit with less force than my M&P, but like I said, it happens with both guns. Factory ammo, 100%.
  7. Jesse Heywood

    Jesse Heywood Well-Known Member

    Sounds like you're not getting the primers seated. I use my thumbnail to check, going across te case head. If I feel a bump at the primer, it needs to go deeper.

    Primers have a long shelf life. And I doubt if any dealer would have any primers on their shelves that are more than 2 or 3 years old, unless they had an outrageous price. Too many people wanted to buy primers since 2008, so most stores and warehouses were cleaned out.
  8. Hondo 60

    Hondo 60 Well-Known Member

    I've never had a CCI primer that didn't fire. And I've reloaded over 25,000 rounds in just the last year.
    Please report back when you've loaded with new primers.

    HOWARD J Well-Known Member

    When you get some extra money---buy a set of Lee CARBIDE dies--that way you don't need any resizing lube.
    Hope you have better luck.....
  10. Steve C

    Steve C Well-Known Member

    As others have said, primers need to be seated into the bottom of the pocket. Using a single stage press you can feel the primer bottom out when seating, its a bit more difficult on a progressive. When the primer bottoms out the anvil is pushed back a bit and the compound is sensitized and given a "set". The picture below shows a close up of a CCI primer and you can see the anvil "legs" are slightly above the cup.
  11. Floppy_D

    Floppy_D Member In Memoriam

    If after two firing attempts the handloaded rounds didn't go off, and factory ammo does always... primers remain suspect... Sam1911 says sooth in trying a new batch/ brand. That's way out of line.
  12. jcwit

    jcwit Well-Known Member

    That quote right there leads me to believe you not seating primers below flush. They should be approx .003 below flush with the case head.

    Stock being current should have nothing to do with it, I've got primers from the 1940 I'm still using up and the all go bang first time. Primers stay good for decads.

    Almost all mfg.'s use dies with a carbide insert for handgun cases. No lube needed, however I do spray mine with a quick drying teflon spray just to make things easier, arthritis is a bitch and I don't like pain. For handgun ammo I'd stay away from greasy. petro lubes. But actually I doubt very much if your lubing is any part of the problem.

    Final consensus, not seating the primer below flush, and BTW are you cleaning the primer pockets>
  13. altitude_19

    altitude_19 Well-Known Member

    Same thing happened to me recently. I seated my cci primers a little more assertively and no more problems. Maybe cci is more sensitive to seating depth?
  14. Steve in PA

    Steve in PA Well-Known Member

    Over 19 years of reloading using nothing but CCI primers, rifle and pistol (small, large, regular and magnum) and I cannot think of one problem with the primers.
  15. ArchAngelCD

    ArchAngelCD Well-Known Member

    I agree, primers are probably good for a very long time. In all the years I've been reloading I can't remember having a bad primer. Not even any of the Magtech or Wolf primers I've used over the past 2 years failed to go bang.
  16. Sauer Grapes

    Sauer Grapes Well-Known Member

    Thanks guys for all your input. I'll take it a little slower and make sure my primer seating process is more accurate.
    I'm learning from your responses, primers for metalic loading is much more sensitive issue for beginners than loading shotshells.

    I'll keep loading, reading and learning.

    Thanks again
  17. eam3clm@att.net

    eam3clm@att.net Well-Known Member

    What case prep steps are you taking. Do you deprime before you tumble the cases. I became suspect of a batch of primers a few years ago. They were seated correctly but had erratic ignition most went boom just fine others did not and others seemed under powered. It was after I started using a lee universal deprime tool before I tumbled my brass. I was trying to save the step of cleaning the primer pocket on my then new turret press. After some investigation I discovered that some of the corn cobb tumbling media was getting lodged in the flash hole and primer pocket when I tumbled deprimed cases. I have not had any trouble since with any type of primers including the tula primers (so fAR). T
  18. HOWARD J

    HOWARD J Well-Known Member

    How is this for arthritis saver:Clg. fan holder taped to RCBS primer tool.
    I had trouble seating CCI prmers in new Winchester M-1 carbine cases--this set-up gets the job done.

    Last edited: Dec 5, 2010
  19. Walkalong

    Walkalong Moderator

    Now that's some leverage right there.
  20. rfwobbly

    rfwobbly Well-Known Member

    If you learned to reload watching YouTube videos, then you need to backup. Metallic reloading is not a race. It's not about how many you can make in an hour. Take the time to go slowly and be consistent with each and every round. Learn your new press, and learn to "feel" each step so you can spot issues before they replicate.

    On the other hand, don't be discouraged either. Most of us here went through some kind of "start up" issue that we eventually worked out. This was usually in the days of snail mail. If it wasn't covered in American Rifleman, then it wasn't common knowledge. Think how much luckier you are now.

    Last edited: Dec 5, 2010

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