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Ranges & Gun Shows: No Loaded Weapons!

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by Praxidike, Jul 23, 2014.

  1. Praxidike

    Praxidike Well-Known Member

    This is just something I think about when I go to gun shows and my local ranges. Does anyone else find it kind of hypocritical when all these pro-gun, pro-open carry, pro NRA, etc gun shows and gun shops forbid people from carrying a loaded firearm in their places of business, but are quick to condemn places like Target and the like on their company's Facebook page and/or weblog for doing the exact same thing? Maybe it's just me though...
  2. lxd55

    lxd55 Well-Known Member

    no, do you know what hypocritical is?
  3. docsleepy

    docsleepy Well-Known Member

    Gun stores are a place where people pull triggers.

    Good reason not to have loaded weapons except on the hips of the proprietor.
  4. rcmodel

    rcmodel Member in memoriam

    I find it perfectly logical.

    I have been in two gun shows in the last few years when some moron fired an 'unloaded' gun inside a crowded hall full of people.

    Besides that?

    Show promoters are having a hard enough time finding large public buildings they can rent for gun shows that will even allow unloaded guns.

    Let alone buy enough liability insurance for a two-day event to cover the proceeds with loaded guns allowed.

    It is not hypocritical.
    It is simple business economics if you want to put on a gun show.
    Or afford liability insurance for a business so you can stay in business.

    Last edited: Jul 24, 2014
  5. Willie Sutton

    Willie Sutton Well-Known Member

    Remember that 50% of the people you meet are below average....

    Guns and the sum of all those averages concentrated in large numbers? Uhh..... <sigh>...


  6. vamo

    vamo Well-Known Member

    Nope not at all. I get why you might think about that, but the way I see most people handle guns at gun shows and gun shops for that matter (including salesmen) makes me think the no loaded guns in here is a very good idea. Its a lot of guns in one place and though we're taught to always assume every gun is loaded, most assume every gun is unloaded at these events.
  7. NoVA Shooter

    NoVA Shooter Well-Known Member

    Good point. But what about CC? Why would I un-holster my carry gun (not to mention pull the trigger) in a gun store? What about a gun store is different than any other store or location I go to? I would no more whip out my carry gun to show a friend/acquaintance at a gun store than I would in the middle of a crowded restaurant. If I bring my carry gun into a gun shop with the intent to remove it from its holster, it’s only to fire it at the range (and there are strict safety rules for that). If I’m bringing it it for someone to look at it, then it’s not my carry gun that trip and will be unloaded and in a case.

    If someone is taking there loaded carry weapon out for show and tell in public, well, I think more training is needed.
  8. Deltaboy

    Deltaboy Well-Known Member

    I CCW in my LGS with no issues cause I keep it put up. I have no issues with Gun Show rules cause too many idiots show up at them.
  9. Twiki357

    Twiki357 Well-Known Member

    I wondered about that myself until I attended my first gun show about 7 years ago. After observing some of the yahoo’s at the shows, “NO LOADED GUNS” makes a lot of sense.
  10. Nope!....

    Do some research on the recent gun show shooting in central PA.
    I used to live in that general area & having NO GUNS or NO LOADED WEAPONS signs at venues isn't a bad a idea. :D

    The owner/CEO of the gun show promotion firm told the media he never had any issues or problems prior the the incident. :uhoh:

    FWIW, where I live now, a fairgrounds gun show lot was easy pickings for some clever crooks who stole a pile of guns(loaded & unloaded).
    The event company claimed they had off duty cops(highway patrol) & a few "undercover" officers but it was a real scandal. :eek:

  11. Praxidike

    Praxidike Well-Known Member

    Okay, if it's unsafe or not a "good idea" for people to carry loaded and holstered weapons into Gun Shops or Gun Shows, then why isn't it equally unsafe or a bad idea for these same people to open or conceal carry into other establishment? If some firearm owners can not handle a firearm safely while being at a firearm related events or establishments, then how can and why should Chipotle Grill, Target, Starbucks, or any other business trust gun owners who conceal or open carry into their establishment?
  12. Field Tester

    Field Tester Well-Known Member


    Although I agree with your position, I offer up to you instances like this. Even the "Pros" can't keep their personal defense weapon holstered when they should.
    While I agree that if you're shopping for accessories for your CCW, you should not be handling that particular firearm, find another to carry for the day. We both know that some will not abide by this rule. Heck, no live ammo is supposed to be in firearms and look how well we follow that rule.

    But ultimately it comes down to the insurance.

    On another note, have you seen anyone carrying outside the shows, just hanging out?
  13. Field Tester

    Field Tester Well-Known Member

    Because while they shouldn't be, people are pulling out their CCWs every five seconds to see if it will fit a new holster, if the tac light they're looking at is too big, if the crimson trace laser fits right, if the 10 round mag for their .45 clashes with their fanny packs.
  14. Praxidike

    Praxidike Well-Known Member

    That makes some sense...
  15. X-Rap

    X-Rap Well-Known Member

    Basically it seems that john q public wants to try holster fit on his carry gun or show how great an action job he has and things go south from there.
    Most of the shops I frequent have signs honoring carrying of weapons but requiring that they remain holstered while there.
    I know of one incident locally in which an experienced former LEO gunshop employee pulled a trigger and shot a fellow employee without clearing a rifle that was brought in by a customer.
    I also have seen 2 gunshow incidents in which vendors ND'ed and I have found a 22 rifle with a loaded mag on a table before.
    I'd say gunshows are about even with idiots being 1/2 vendors and the other attendees.
    Either way I can see why there are restrictive requirements.
  16. Iron Sight

    Iron Sight Well-Known Member

    Some interesting thoughts for me coming across in this thread.
  17. 32_d3gr33s

    32_d3gr33s Well-Known Member

    but making EVERY single person that is carrying, remove and unload their weapon when entering, and then reload and reholster their gun when leaving is safe? Thats why i dont patronize places that think its ok for them to ban guns, but get upset when other places do...
  18. Zach S

    Zach S Well-Known Member

    Gun shows I can understand. I dont go anymore, and dont miss them. They looked too much like flea markets, didn't offer any better pricing, and I've seen enough bad gun handling at one show to last a lifetime.

    Stores and ranges, I kinda understand. If not for the signs, "show and tell" can get nerve racking... The LGS I frequent has (had?) a "no loaded firearms" sign on the door, that accomplishes one thing: folks dont handle hot carry guns in the store. They either leave it in their car, unload it, or CC normally.

    He knows I'm in the last group, but has only kinda brought it up once. He asked if another customer could see my holster and I said "yeah, let me borrow some ears so I can go in the range and clear my pistol." I never heard anything else about it, but I've never handled a hot pistol in the store either...

    You would probably be amazed at the number of folks who think its okay to show off their carry gun because they're in a gun store.
  19. lxd55

    lxd55 Well-Known Member

    if you do not like the rules, fine. just as long as you abide by them.
  20. lxd55

    lxd55 Well-Known Member

    as a range master at several gun shoots, the first thing you look for is to see if there is a mag in the well of a firearm. if you do you stop the person and tell them to please unload or leave. most unload,
    some do not understand and ask you to explain. when this happens you say to them that we have a lot of people with firearms and you just cannot accept unknowns. the shows, shoots make there rules as does target or any other business or that is all. my house, my rules.
    Last edited: Jul 24, 2014

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