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Raven .25

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by Mr Bernoulli, Oct 31, 2010.

  1. Mr Bernoulli

    Mr Bernoulli Well-Known Member

    I know where I can get a Raven .25 for $80. It is the nickel plated model. It is a cool little pistol and has a neat bit of history. What do you guys think about picking it up? Also is this a fair price do you think? The gun seems to be in great condition. The dealer told me he took it in on a trade and a deputys wife carried it for a little over a decade. Was wondering about their durability and if parts were availible if I ever needed them. Also how is the accuracy because some say they are good shooters within a certain distance and others say they can not hit the broadside of a barn from point blank. I am asking here because you guys always seem to know everything and I can not get a straight answer just looking online. Seems people either love or hate them... Let me know and hopefully you guys can point me one way or the other because I am on the fence right now...
  2. ProCarryNAustin

    ProCarryNAustin Well-Known Member

    Have played with 4 of these over the years. Only one would make it through a magazine without a jam. None of them would hit a coke can at 7 yards.
  3. chunk

    chunk Well-Known Member

    You could not give me one....
  4. Jed Carter

    Jed Carter Well-Known Member

    I would pass on the Raven, if you want a quality .25 get a Beretta. I have used the Raven .25 for a brief time, traded it off for a Charter Arms .38 snubnose, still have the Charter, don't miss the Raven. Raven accuracy was dismal, reliability was abysmal. I have a Beretta 950 jetfire .25, it is a SA only pistol and actually can hit the 10x at 12-15 yards. For 80 bucks you could probably get your money out of it at a gunshow, not from me, but it's worth that to someone. Make an offer, the dealer probably has $50- $60 in it.
  5. RX-178

    RX-178 Well-Known Member

    $80? Go for it.

    It's not really going to be good for much except history and ammo wasting, but I think these cheap little things are just kinda cute. :D

    They remind me of simpler times I guess. My father has had one of these little clunkers for longer than I've been alive, and I like to think about what the era was like when they were made.
  6. rich642z

    rich642z Well-Known Member

    Forget the raven!!!!!!!!!! Pile of bleep!!!!!!!!
  7. ATAShooter

    ATAShooter Well-Known Member

    They are neat to have in a collection. However, please do not defend your life with it. I would trust something a tad more reliable. They are fun to shoot, and plink with, but when it comes to an intruder or other bad situation, rely on something better.
  8. Uniquedot

    Uniquedot Well-Known Member

    In the 80's these things sold for $45.00 NIB. I could hit a gallon milk jug with the two i had @ 20 paces and that was the absolute best i could do with them. I personally would not have one, and surely would not pay $80 for it.
  9. Justin

    Justin Moderator Staff Member

    Take the $80 and set it on fire. It'll result in much less frustration.
  10. W.E.G.

    W.E.G. Well-Known Member

    I bought one for $45, and sold it to the DC Police Department for $100 after it wouldn't feed, and I finally ruined it for good in my effort to "fix" it with a file.

    Wish I had bought a shoebox full of those crummy guns.
  11. starling

    starling Member

    I say buy it. They dont normaly jam with ball ammo unless the magazine is faulty (such as dented). They are easy to take down and work on if you do have an issue. Parts are everywhere and inexpensive. I will say that I actually keep mine quite clean. They run fine dirty though as long its not excesive (such as never been cleaned in 20 years). I have more than a few of these and they all work well for what they are. Accuracy is fine for what it is (Its not a target gun). The Barrels sometimes have shallow rifleing ad will keyhole. I have never experienced this, and it is rare with a Raven, But a cuople other owners I have run into had this.

    The Raven design has been copied more than people realize. Jennings, Bryco, Davis, Jimenez, Cobra, and even the Hi-point are all based on the Raven. The materials used are Zamak which stands for Zinc, Aluminum, Magnesium, and Copper. They are easy to carry and dont rust.

    These kind of guns get bashed all the time but in truth they are fine. Fairy tales and fallacies for the most part. It is rare that they dont run. The only reason I can think of would possibly be due to ammunition (blazer aluminum cased in particular). Many 25s dont like blazer and can have problems. Another issue seems to be the fireing pin breaking but I have never broke one (I dont dry fire pistols very often). The only other issue I have heard of would be recoil and fireing pin spring replacement (Never had a problem there either though).

    Pocket autos and larger designs based on the Raven are not real great candidates for carrying with a round in the chamber as they are striker fired single actions.

    Dont let internet bashing fool you. It took 3 years for my gun dealer to convince me to try one as I thought they were junk too. Once I did I was sold on the simplicity of these pistols. I have shot 1000s of rounds through these guns and never had a major issue. The same cannot be said of some of the other high dollar 25s (IE Beretta, Browning Baby, Taurus Etc.).

    If you buy it the first thing you need to do is clean it very well. Some of these guns have not been made in a very long time and the factory oil can turn into what seems like shelac. Combine that with old carbon deposits, pocket lint etc. and you can have issues. Best thing to do is to disasemble, soak it in something like alchohol, and find and old toothbrush to scub it down. Clean the barrel and take it out for a test fire. If its running a little rough for you they are easy to fluff and buff. I F&B these just for the fun of it sometimes.

    Anyway, theres my thought on the Raven. They are actually one of My favorite guns believe it or not. Pretty much a model of simplicity. I Should say that I own a lot of other High Dollar guns as well ( Gun Snobbery is childish behavior that I dont understand).
  12. razorback2003

    razorback2003 Well-Known Member

    Buy Ammo or a Cheap Revolver

    Ravens are made of cheap metal and jam. I would try to get the guy down lower than 80 bucks for a raven. That is a little high. 80 dollars buys a lot of ammo these days just to feed the guns I have. You might be able to spend a little over 100 bucks for a cheap revolver in the paper like a rossi or a taurus.

    I'd personally only pay 50 or 60 tops for a raven new. That's me. No way would I carry it or trust it. 25 auto ammo is expensive too. Where I am from it was a good gun to carry 'illegally' and get forfeited to the police at one time if you wished to do so because you didn't want to pay the money for a license/permit. Then again, I always thought those folks could have gotten an old Rossi snub to carry 'illegally' to risk getting seized and at least know it would go bang.

    For a fun gun, hey nothing wrong with that if you don't mind buying 25 auto ammo. No one can have too many toys.
  13. starling

    starling Member

    $80 is pretty good if its in excellent condition. They go for les on the internet but you factor in $25 for shipping and $20-$25 for a transfer and your actually coming out quite well.

    The "cheap metal" is really irrelevant all things considered. The gun was designed for the materials it uses and is well up to dealing with the preasures of a 25 caliber blowback. Jamming is usually a result of owner negligence.

    Ravens were popular back up and undercover guns for LE back in the 70s.

    Buy one and I think you will be surprised. Guns have cult followings for a reason. Although these pistols were demonized for being in the hands of criminals many, many more were purchased by law abiding citizens for over 30years.

    Listen to owners and those with experience on these types of pistols. They also suprisingly hold there value very well. Understand its limitations. First being that it is 25acp. Ammo is not ultra cheap. Understand that once in a while they are a little rough (they retailed between $40-$100). At worst you might have to do some very simple fluff and buff with some abrasive paper, cutips, and a little metal polish.

    Would I take one over my Beretta Elite.......No. But for a sub $100 pocket auto they are an exceptional value.
  14. tangomike706

    tangomike706 Well-Known Member

    For me ? That $80.00 would be better spent on Ammo(Presuming you have another firearm?) But , If you have your heart set on that firearm .....,, and have done your homework on the issues it may .. or may not have .. then go for it .
  15. Mr Bernoulli

    Mr Bernoulli Well-Known Member

    wow you guys seem to either love or hate it too lol... I know its definately not a long range gun but how is its accuracy say at 5 and 10 yds. Im looking for it as a fun gun etc so its just a toy not something I would only carry and trust my life too etc... So with this new consideration what do you guys say because I am still torn...
  16. gun addict

    gun addict Well-Known Member

    umm..........i dont know why the poster up there loves Raven so much, the fact that it's copied by Bryco, JEnning and Highpoint dosnt make the thing impressive at all :banghead:

    maybe it's just me but $80 is still alot in today's economy. I can think of tons of better stuff to get for $80, hell for that price you can even buy a Russian Nagant revolver with REAL HISTORY and will NOT frustrate you. For $60 more you can get a Polish P64 made with real milled steel and will actually work as a CCW

    That sheriff that gave his wife the Raven is clearly not a very loving husband

    and i'll ask, what's the source behind that Raven are undercover's favorite "backup" weapon? Show me the link/page
  17. starling

    starling Member

    When Ravens first hit the scene they were pretty highly touted for back ups and undercover work. You have to look for some very old gun magazines from the 70s for the literature.

    The Brycos, Jennings, lorcin and highpoint work fine too they can just be a little rougher and need a little more F&B than Ravens (Particularly Lorcins). Sometimes the higher calibers in the 380 and 9mm range can have problems. High points dont but they slightly modified the design to take on the preasures in 9mm,40, and 45.

    Ravens have a lot of history too just not military. Ravens had a huge impact on the gun industry. Look at the sales numbers over the years combined with other similar makers. Hi-point is one of the best selling guns in America. To think that these guns dont have history is beyond ignorant (not directing this statement at anyone).

    I appreciate all gun designs and dont put ravens up there with top tier manufacturers but I enjoy them for what they are. A low cost, well designed, brilliantly simple, Reliable pocket auto with acceptable accuracy for personal defense.

    Never understood the hatred a little Zamak 25acp can generate. If you want to hate there are plenty of other guns to direct your anger IE Rogak, Accutek, Talon, Clerk etc. Those guns have real issues. Some of which can never be remedied. They are not all cheap either.
  18. Cowboybootnut

    Cowboybootnut Well-Known Member

    Stay away, it was made for people who could not affford anything better.
  19. starling

    starling Member

    Do you own one? Have you shot one? If so how much? Have you worked on them?

    Post like that where your essentially saying they were made for poor people with no money show a level of character that in the end does not aid in the speading of credible information to those inquiring about a product. In the end it is a diservice to those who are interested in useful feedback from those who have experience with such a design.

    These one liners bashing products are childish behavior on the part of gun owners. Playground mentality.
  20. Buck Snort

    Buck Snort Well-Known Member

    Several years ago in Modesto, CA a jewler killed a robber with a .25 ACP so it can be done but for my money something with considerably more WHALLOP is a worthwhile investment.

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