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Reasonably priced pistol caliber carbine suggestions

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by braindead0, Mar 24, 2003.

  1. braindead0

    braindead0 Well-Known Member

    I'm thinking about getting a pistol caliber carbine, mostly for 3-gun matches.. My other option (don't laugh) would be a marlin level action .357.. cause I think it'd be fun to shoot 3-gun with a lever action "carbine"..

    So, what other options are there in the inexpensive category, I've been thinking about a hi-point.. but just the other day at a plate shoot I was partnered with a guy shooting a borrowed hi-point, it jammed up and I had to take down 28 of the 31 plates with my revolver..lucky for me I was on a roll ;-)

    Oh, and I don't have any semi-auto suitable for a carbine upper, so that's not an option really... Just wondering what else it out there.
  2. SDC

    SDC Well-Known Member

    Check out the new Beretta CX4; it takes the same mags as the 92/96 and Cougar pistols, and it's supposed to sell for the same price as one of their handguns. I saw these at this year's SHOT show, and I think they'll be a hit.
  3. braindead0

    braindead0 Well-Known Member

    Hmm, does that mean 'full-cap' magazines are available?

    And it doesn't look like it's available yet... or at least not on the web-site..or I couldn't find it ;-)
  4. Felonious Monk

    Felonious Monk Well-Known Member

    Kel-Tec Sub2000.
    9mm or 40.
    Choose from models that accept Glock, S&W, or Beretta mags.
    And, it folds to 16".

    Lots of positive press.
  5. SDC

    SDC Well-Known Member

  6. Onslaught

    Onslaught Well-Known Member

    CX4 Storm - Still due out in May/June (according to the e-mail I received just this morning from Beretta USA). Price should be @$600-ish. From the looks, it threatens to be a near perfect pistol caliber carbine. I'll be buying one, if for no other reason, it's the only true "lefty friendly" PCC out there.

    Kel-Tec Sub2000 - Available now. Price @ $300 + or -. See www.ktog.org for all sorts of opinions, mostly positive.

    Ruger PC9 - Eh. @$450-ish. A very standard looking rifle that fires pistol ammo and uses Ruger or Glock mags (with conversion).

    Building your own 9mm AR. @$650-ish, for the base rifle, plus any accessories you might want. I was doing much research on this myself before the CX4 came along.
    Here's my research in a nutshell. Of course, my rifle came out to $915, but that's my "end product" rifle with left-handed accessories, a different stock, and an ARMS #40. You might still be able to find cheaper parts elsewhere to shave off a few more $$$. It's an Excel file, and if you delete or add new accessories, the price will update accordingly.

    It's also seperated into "upper" and "lower" parts in case you wanted to do a "home layaway". And since the upper is purchased as a "complete" unit, there are no special tools required to build this rifle. Only the lower need be assembled at home.

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  7. braindead0

    braindead0 Well-Known Member

    Well, that's prices it outta the reasonable range (for me). I wouldn't get enough use out of it to justify $600 ish..

    I could probably get away with $300 ish, but any more and I might as well buy my wife a new Kahr K9 (which she's really wants)... cause last gun purchase was mine ;-)
  8. 3 gun

    3 gun Well-Known Member

    I wouldn't bail on a Hi Point carbine just because of that. It could have been a bad mag, a bad round or even op error. I know a couple of guys who like their carbines. Plus with just a little luck you can find them lightly used for under $100. The lever action while being cool and fun wouldn't work very well. Round counts in 3 gun shoots often run 20 or more. The reloads would kill any chance of posting a good score. The 357mag would be better at range than the 9mm but not enough to even come close to offsetting the downside. The best bet for the money is still a Hi Point carbine. IMHO.
  9. braindead0

    braindead0 Well-Known Member

    Yeah, I'm still leaning in the hi-point direction. As far as the lever action, I wouldn't get much in the way of time-points.. but I think it has far more cool points ;-).

    Besides, I compete against myself in IDPA and nobody else.. so the overall time wouldn't be an issue.. But them .357 marlin lever guns are pretty expensive too.. ;-)
  10. 762x51

    762x51 Well-Known Member

    I've got a lightly used Ruger PC-9 I might be willing to part with. Lemmee know if interested.
  11. Litlman

    Litlman Well-Known Member

    How about the Marlin Camp Carbine ? Nice little package and in 45 cal or 9mm.
  12. ambidextrous1

    ambidextrous1 Well-Known Member

    If you're a 1911 shooter, consider the Mech-Tech carbine conversion unit, with 16" match barrel & rather minimal stock. It takes the 1911 frame & magazines - assembly is fast. The carbine is VERY accurate and price is a bit over $300. Dillon sells it, and they have a web site, too. Oh, I didn't mention, the CCU is a LOT of fun to shoot, and just the thing to take to the range if you're lonesome. Lots of people will come over & talk with you...

  13. cratz2

    cratz2 Well-Known Member

    No experience with the High Point but KelTec, Ruger and Marlin.

    If it were me and my money, I'd go for the KelTec in 9mm with either S&W or Beretta mags. Lot's of reliable firepower for little cash outlay plus the fold-it-up factor... if that's a factor for you.
  14. USGuns

    USGuns Well-Known Member


    I'll second the Sub2K, it's a hoot to shoot. :D
  15. Sven

    Sven Senior Member

  16. braindead0

    braindead0 Well-Known Member

    Now there's something that totally slipped my mind.. how's the market for M1 carbines.. and what about ammo availability (I'd hate to reload for that, cause It'd be so much fun to shoot).

    Hmm, hi-cap magazines..I'd think there would be tons.. how about folding stocks..hehe.. that could be mucho fun.
  17. Gerald McDonald

    Gerald McDonald Well-Known Member

    Try to find a cowboy action shoot before you decide on a lever. If you are willing to practice you can leave'em with their mouths hangin open. I went to a cowboy shoot and left with a lot of respect for those guys. There are a lot of them who can really nail it.
  18. Sven

    Sven Senior Member

    M1 Carbine ammo is cheap... NatchezSS.com has S&B ball at $8.25 per 50 rounds. For defensive/hunting you will want hollow soft points... Wideners is currently sold out but usually stocks Soft Point at $12.50 per 50.

    Mags run $10-35 for 15 or 30 rounders. I hear that 15 rounders are more reliable, and they also allow you to lie prone with the weapon.

    Accuracy averages between 3-5 MOA, but there's more than enough to give 'hell to a beer can at 50 yards' with iron sights.

    Now that I have your attention, check out my thread here on THR regarding putting a red dot optic on an M1 Carbine and let me know your thoughts.

  19. bbrins

    bbrins Well-Known Member

    I'll give the Hi-Point another vote, I just shot mine today for the first time and had no problems after 375 rounds. For the price, I'm impressed.
  20. Shweboner

    Shweboner Well-Known Member

    I like my hipoint... its a pain in the *** to take down, and mine has issues w/HPs. but w/ FMJ its never had one problem. I am working on getting a new sighting system or something of the sort for it... it holds a decent group as well. not bad for $92!

    HEres a pic, I did a stock refinish on it as well. my re-done 10/22 is also in the pic.


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