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Regarding Caliber Wars...

Discussion in 'Handguns: General Discussion' started by click clack, Nov 15, 2012.

  1. click clack

    click clack Well-Known Member

    "Shot placement is king, Capacity is queen, Caliber is a lowly jester"

    Recently heard that and loved it.. Also, I now have a signature! :cool:
  2. aarondhgraham

    aarondhgraham Well-Known Member

    My caliber wars haiku,,,

    Nine millimeter
    A wimpy round it is not
    Shot placement is king.​


  3. ATBackPackin

    ATBackPackin Well-Known Member

    Whether you use 9, 40, or 45 matters not,

    All that matters is where you place that shot.

    It is a poor craftsman who blames his tool,

    So practice or you will be that fool.

  4. David E

    David E Well-Known Member

    I presume you carry a PMR-30 in .22 magnum, then?
  5. ATBackPackin

    ATBackPackin Well-Known Member

    Good point, but i'm not sure he was talking about rimfire ammo. Then again I don't know he wasn't either so I'll shut up now.

  6. Certaindeaf

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  7. jeepnik

    jeepnik Well-Known Member

    Tis true. But as long as you are hitting a target where it should be hit, you might as well put as big a hole in it as you can.:evil:
  8. skidder

    skidder Well-Known Member

    38 special or 454 on a charging Grizzly, or an assailant with body armor? There are exceptions to every rule.
  9. ArchAngelCD

    ArchAngelCD Well-Known Member

    When asked what ammo to use I always say, the best bullet in the world will do you no good unless you make good hits.

    I guess that could also fit for caliber wars too.
    A bigger bullet will do you no good unless you hit what you aim at.
    Or, a faster bullet will do you no good unless you hit what you aim at.
  10. henrifirstman

    henrifirstman Well-Known Member

    I use a 40 because I like my 40's.
    If I had a couple of 9's I'd like em too.
    If I had some 45's, That would be cool too.

    I like what I like and I don't need any other reason.
    I should start reloading though, because .40 brass is everywhere I shoot. Oceans of .40 brass.
  11. mljdeckard

    mljdeckard Well-Known Member

    I don't agree entirely. No one is saying that you shouldn't get the very best hits you can, but in reality, you are doing well to get hits at all. (Look at police shooting data.)

    I quit worrying about capacity. I used to carry big polymer lead PEZ dispensers, and I just decided that if I can't do the job with the 8+1 in my 1911, it's unlikely that 9 more in a Glock will save me either.

    I do agree that caliber is not nearly as important as it used to be. With modern premium JHP bullets, there is very little difference in real world performance between service cartridges.
  12. highpower

    highpower Well-Known Member

    Exactly. It seems that today's shooters are all wrapped up in how many shots their gun can hold, rather than whether they can hit what their aiming at.

    Learn how to shoot accurately and you won't need fifteen shots, one or two will do the job. Of course a hit with a smaller caliber may not incapacitate an attacker as readily as a hit with a large caliber will. But a miss will do nothing at all.
  13. mljdeckard

    mljdeckard Well-Known Member

    That depends on the definition of "smaller caliber". If I am carrying anything 9 or bigger (to include good loads of .380,) I don't anticipate much difference between them.
  14. click clack

    click clack Well-Known Member

  15. Double Naught Spy

    Double Naught Spy Sus Venator

    The king is impotent without trajectory and penetration.
  16. 56hawk

    56hawk Well-Known Member

    The thing that bothers me about shot placement is that a lot of people seem to use it interchangeably with a lucky shot. Sure a 22LR that manages to sever an important artery can kill someone, but it's not like that was what they were aiming for.
  17. Bikewer

    Bikewer Well-Known Member

    I agree with Deckard. Under the stresses and exigencies of combat, shot placement may be an unobtainable thing. You take what you can get, and peripheral hits with bigger slugs are likely to be more disabling than peripheral hits with smaller ones.
  18. Hokkmike

    Hokkmike Well-Known Member

    A .40 or .45 at center mass will do the trick. It most cases a 9mm or .380 will too. I just don't like being in the "exception" category.
  19. mljdeckard

    mljdeckard Well-Known Member

    No. There is no guarantee that ANY bullet will EVER do a given thing to a given target. Only degrees of likelihood.
  20. Skribs

    Skribs Well-Known Member

    ...and awareness is wilds.

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