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Reloading initial costs?

Discussion in 'Handloading and Reloading' started by DavidB2, Jan 15, 2013.

  1. DavidB2

    DavidB2 Member

    Mar 8, 2008
    Due to the cost/shortage of .45 ACP rounds; I am looking to get into reloading. If I only re-load for .45 ACP; how much is the initial investment for a basic reloading press and all the various supplies?
  2. esheato

    esheato Senior Member

    Apr 8, 2003
    Probably a couple hundred bucks....presses last forever, if you could find a used one, you'd be off to a great start.
  3. ArchAngelCD

    ArchAngelCD Senior Elder

    Nov 25, 2006
    Northeast PA, USA
  4. James2

    James2 Active Member

    Nov 27, 2009
    Northern Utah
    The RCBS Rock Chucker Supreme Single Stage Press Master Kit costs about $320. Then you will need another $100 in supplies to get started. That is only one option.
  5. Zardaia

    Zardaia Member

    Apr 14, 2011
    Not counting components ie brass,powder, primer, bullet...150-200ish depends on what kind press you want. Cheapest possible 50ish for a hand press, say 40 for die set, 20 each for cheap scale and calipers. When you start actualy reloading your own instead of buying brass already clean you'll need a tumbler or ultrasonic cleaner 60 and up. Alot of other stuff you'll likely pick up over time but I think that's about bare bones cheapest. Oh yeah and a manual, idk 10-20 or so. Even reloading suplies are going up though, just not as fast.
  6. Lost Sheep

    Lost Sheep Senior Member

    Aug 16, 2009
    Anyone who can follow a recipe in the kitchen or change a tire can handload safely. It just takes care and a bit of humility. Handloading is not rocket science, but it does involve smoke and flame and things that go very fast, so care is to be taken.

    I have thought of a few things I think are useful for handloaders to know or to consider which seem to be almost universal, so I put together this list of 10 advices.

    So much is a matter of personal taste and circumstance, though. So, all advice carries this caveat, "your mileage may vary".

    So you can better evaluate my words, here is the focus of my experience. I load for handguns (44 Mag, 45 ACP, 45 Colt, 454 Casull, 9mm, 357 Mag, 480 Ruger) a couple hundred per sitting and go through 100 to 400 centerfire rounds per month. I don't cast....yet.

    When I bought my first gun (.357 Magnum Dan Wesson revolver), I bought, at the same time, a reloading setup because I knew I could not afford to shoot if I did not reload my own ammo. It cost me about 1/4 of factory ammo per round and paid for itself pretty quickly. I did not use a loading bench at all. I just mounted my press on a 2 x 6 plank long enough to wedge into the drawer of an end table.

    I still believe in a minimalist approach and and try to keep my inventory of tools low. I do not keep my loading gear set up when not in use, either, but pack them away in small toolboxes until the next loading session.

    Now, here are my Ten Advices.

    Advice #1 Use Reliable Reference Sources Wisely - Books, Videos, Web Sites, etc.

    Study up in loading manuals until you understand the process well, before spending a lot of money on equipment.

    I found "The ABC's of Reloading" to be a very good reference. Short on loading data but full of knowledge and understanding of the process. Check out offerings in your local library. Dated, perhaps but the basics are pretty unchanging. I am told the older editions are better than the newer ones, so the library is looking even better.

    Read as many manuals as you can, for the discussion of the how-to steps found in their early chapters. The reason you want more than one or two manuals is that you want to read differing authors/editors writing styles and find ones that "speak" to you. What one manual covers thinly, another will cover well so give better coverage of the subject; one author or editor may cover parts of the subject more thoroughly than the others.

    As far as load data in older manuals, the powder manufacturers and bullet manufacturers may have better information and their web sites are probably more up to date. But pay attention to what the ammunition was test-fired from. (regular firearm vs a sealed-breech pressure test barrel, for example)

    The public library should have manuals you can read, then decide which ones you want to buy.

    There are instructional videos now that did not exist in the '70s when I started.

    Richard Lee's book "Modern Reloading" has a lot of food for thought, and does discuss the reasoning behind his opinions (unlike many manuals, and postings). Whether right or wrong, the issues merit thought, which that book initiates. It is not a simple book, though and you will find it provocative reading for many years.

    Only after you know the steps can you look at the contents of of a dealer's shelves, a mail-order catalog or a reloading kit and know what equipment you want to buy. If you are considering a loading kit, you will be in a better position to know what parts you don't need and what parts the kits lack.

    Advice #2 All equipment is good. But is it good FOR YOU?

    Almost every manufacturer of loading equipment makes good stuff; if they didn't, they would lose reputation fast and disappear from the marketplace. Better equipment costs more generally. Cast aluminum is lighter and less expensive but not so abrasion resistant as cast iron. Cast iron lasts practically forever. Aluminum generally takes more cleaning and lubrication to last forever. Lee makes good equipment, but is generally considered the "economy" equipment maker, though some of their stuff is considered preferable to more expensive makes. Just think about what you buy. Ask around. Testimonials are nice. But if you think Ford/Chevy owners have brand loyalty, you have not met handloaders. Testimonials with reasoning behind them are better. RCBS equipment is almost all green, Dillon, blue, Lee red. Almost no manufacturers cross color lines and many handloaders simply identify themselves as "Blue" or whatever. Make your own choices.

    On Kits: Almost every manufacturer makes a kit that contains everything you need to do reloading (except dies and the consumables). A kit is decent way to get started. Eventually most people wind up replacing most of the components of the kit as their personal taste develops, but you will have gotten started, at least.

    On Kits: Almost every manufacturer (and most major retailer) assembles a kit that contains everything you need to do reloading (except dies and the consumables). A kit is a decent way to get started without too much prior experience. Eventually most reloaders wind up replacing many of the components of the kit as their personal taste develops (negating the savings you thought the kit gave you), but you will have gotten started, at least.

    On building your own kit: The thought processes you give to assembling your own kit increases your knowledge about reloading. You may get started a couple weeks later than if you started with a kit, but you will be far ahead in knowledge.

    Advice #3 While Learning, don't get fancy Progressive or Single Stage? Experimental loads? Pushing performance envelopes?

    While you are learning, load mid-range at first so overpressures are not concerns. Just concentrate on getting the mechanical steps of loading right and being VERY VERY consistent (charge weight, crimp strength, bullet seating depth, primer seating force, all that). Use a "fluffy" powder that is, one that will overflow your cartridge case if you mistakenly put two powder charges in it.

    Learn on a single stage press or a turret press, or if on a progressive, only once cartridge at a time. While you can learn on a progressive press, in my opinion too many things happen at the same time, thus are hard to keep track of (unless you load singly at first). Mistakes DO happen and you want to watch for them ONE AT A TIME. Until handloading becomes second nature to you.

    Note: A turret press is essentially a single stage press with a moveable head which can mount several dies at the same time. What makes it like a single stage rather than a progressive is that you are still using only one die at a time, not three or four dies simultaneously at each stroke.

    On the Turret vs Single stage the decision is simpler. You can do everything on a Turret EXACTLY the same way as you do on a single stage (just leave the turret stationary). That is, a Turret IS a single stage if you don't rotate the head.

    Learning on a progressive can be done successfully, but it is easier to learn to walk in shoes than on roller skates.

    Also, a good, strong, single stage press is in the stable of almost every reloader I know, no matter how many progressives they have. They always keep at least one.

    Advice #4 Find a mentor.

    There is no substitute for someone watching you load a few cartridges and critiquing your technigue BEFORE you develop bad habits or make a dangerous mistake. (A mistake that might not have consequences right away, but maybe only after you have escaped trouble a hundred times until one day you get bit, for instance having case lube on your fingers when you handle primers; 99 times, no problem because primers are coated with a sealant, but the hundredth primer may not be perfectly sealed and now winds up "dead")

    I started loading with the guy who sold me my press watching over my shoulder as I loaded my first 6 rounds to make sure I did not blow myself up, load a powderless cartridge or set off a primer in the press. I could have learned more, faster with a longer mentoring period, but I learned a lot in those first 6 rounds, as he explained each step. I educated myself after that. But now, on the internet, I have learned a WHOLE LOT MORE. But in-person is still the best.

    After you have been mentored, mentor someone else. Not necessarily in loading or the shooting sports, but in SOMETHING in which you are enthusiastic and qualified. Just give back to the community.

    Advice #5 Design your loading space for safety, efficiency, cleanliness

    When I started reloading, I did not use a loading bench at all. I just mounted the press on a 2" x 6" plank long enough to wedge into the drawer of an end table My loading gear all fit in a footlocker and spread out on the coffeetable and the lid of the footlocker. Good leverage meant the table did not lift or rock. I still use the same plank, but now it is mounted in a Black & Decker folding workbench. A loading bench "bolted to the center of the earth" (as some describe their setups) would be more stable, but I do not feel deprived without it.

    You will probably spill powder or drop a primer eventually, so consider what you have for a floor covering when you pick your reloading room/workspace. I would not try to vacuum up spilt gunpowder unless using a Rainbow vacuum which uses water as the filter medium. A dropcloth is practically infallible. Use cloth, not plastic. Less static, quieter and has less tendency to let dropped primers roll away.

    Advice #6 Keep Current on loading technology

    Always use a CURRENT loading manual. Powder chemistry has changed over the years. They make some powders differently than they used to and even some powder names may have changed. However, if you are using 10 year old powder, you may want to check a 10 year old manual for the recipe. Then double check with a modern manual and then triple check with the powder maker.

    Read previous threads on reloading, here are a couple I read.
    The second one is a thread started by a new recruit to reloading which the moderators thought highly enough of to make it "sticky" so it stays on the top of the list of threads.

    Advice #7 You never regret buying the best (but once)

    When you buy the very best, it hurts only once, in the wallet. When you buy too cheaply it hurts every time you use the gear. The trick is to buy good enough (on the scale between high quality and low price) to keep you happy without overpaying. "The delicious flavor of low price fades fast. The wretched aftertaste of poor quality lingers long.

    Advice #8 Tungsten Carbide dies (or Titanium Nitride)

    T-C dies instead of regular tool steel (which require lubrication for sizing your brass) for your straight-walled cartridge cases. T-C dies do not require lubrication, which will save you time. Carbide expander button for your bottlenecked cases. Keeps lube out of the inside of the cases.

    Advice #9 Safety Always Safety All Ways.

    Wear eye protection, especially when seating primers. Gloves are good, too, especially if using the Lee "Hammer" Tools. Children (unless they are good helpers, not just playing around) are at risk and are a risk. Pets, too unless they have been vetted (no, not that kind of vetting). Any distractions that might induce you to forget charging a case (no charge or a double charge, equally disturbing). Imagine everything that CAN go wrong. Then imagine everything that you CAN'T imagine. I could go on, but it's your eyes, your fingers, your house, your children (present of future - lead is a hazard, too. Wash after loading and don't eat at your bench). Enough said?

    Advice #10 Verify for yourself everything you learn. Believe only half of what you see and one quarter of what you hear. That goes double for everything you find on the internet (with the possible exception of the actual web sites of the bullet and powder manufacturers). This advice applies to my message as much as anything else and especially to personal load recipes. Hare-brained reloaders might have dangerous habits and even an honest typographical error could be deadly. I heard about a powder manufacturer's web site that dropped a decimal point once. It was fixed REAL FAST, but mistakes happen. I work in accounting and frequently hit "7" instead of "4" because the are next to each other on the keypad.

    Good luck.

    Lost Sheep
  7. Lost Sheep

    Lost Sheep Senior Member

    Aug 16, 2009
    Budget Beginning Bench You Will Never Outgrow for the Novice Handloader


    Budget Beginning Bench You Will Never Outgrow for the Novice Handloader

    I thought a reprise of this old thread would be useful.

    Lost Sheep
  8. kingmt

    kingmt Senior Member

    Nov 17, 2009
    Check out FS Reloading.
  9. NeuseRvrRat

    NeuseRvrRat Participating Member

    Jan 24, 2011
    Wilmington, NC
    you're going to have a hard time finding components now too. primers, powder, and bullets were all subject to panic buying as well.
  10. Centurian22

    Centurian22 Participating Member

    Dec 22, 2011
    You CAN start for as little as $30-40 with a lee classic loader "whack-a-mole" system. But realistically you'd be well off to start with a kit (or assemble your own). Easiliy accomplished for $150-$200.

    Jump in however you can. You'll never look back.
  11. Clark

    Clark Senior Member

    Jan 3, 2003
    Where I5 meets the rain forest
    I can reload sitting naked in the dirt with two rocks and a nail.

    But I have upgraded.

    And now I help others out of poverty. When someone comes to my house and wants to reload, I give him dies, a press, powder, primers, bullets, brass, a shell holder, a Lee powder dipper, and a priming tool.
    I tell them if they don't use it, to bring it all back.

    On internet reloading forums, a lot of people have expensive reloading gear and think everyone else should.

    In the real world, a lot of people talk about reloading, but they don't get it done.
  12. DeadFlies

    DeadFlies Member

    Oct 13, 2011
    Madison, WI
    I put together a set including a press ($35), a set of dies ($35) a scale ($25) and a set of calipers ($5). That's $100 for the essentials. I've found that most everything else is either unnecessary or can be easily improvised for little or no cost.

    Except for a loading manual which you can easily get for free from a library.
    Last edited: Jan 15, 2013
  13. joecil

    joecil Active Member

    Apr 12, 2012
    Lexington, Kentucky
    Another good free source of free reloading data is the powder maker sites at least the big 3 are Hodgdon, Accurate and Alliance are perhaps others.
  14. mljdeckard

    mljdeckard Elder

    Jun 5, 2006
    In a part of Utah that resembles Tattooine.
    Lee makes a bench press for like $25.

    Lee sells a hand press for $32. I bought one to be able to do a lot of the process while I watch TV.

    Follow post 6 word for word. I'm still a rookie and guessing on a lot of things that I might have learned better had I been a little more patient.

    There are things that are must have, and things that are nice to have, but once you have them, you won't ever want to work without them again. My RCBS kit did not come with a caliper. This is a must-have, you can get one at Harbor Freight for $12. I think a tumbler is must-have, and a media seperator is nice to have, but I will never again sit there and manually knock media out of tumbled cases.

    One thing that has saved my hide is a lamp with a magnifier over the workspace.
  15. oneounceload

    oneounceload member

    Apr 24, 2008
    Hot and Humid FL
    Exactly, powder is scarcer than hen's teeth, with people buying 2-5lifetimes worth of powder for no reason other than "because", thus perpetuating this shortage that much longer
  16. boommer

    boommer New Member

    Jan 10, 2013
    reloading is sickness and it grabs a hold of you and the next thing your in a room all by yourself and your wife has put your face on milk carton and then she finds you in the room and says I want a divorce and half of everything so you give the house to her and there you sit on the curb with all your reloading stuff wondering how big of u haul you need and HOW MUCH DID I SAVE ?

    this can happen to you!!

  17. Lost Sheep

    Lost Sheep Senior Member

    Aug 16, 2009
    And eye protection.

    Safety, always, all ways.

    I admire your enterprise And skill

    Lost Sheep
  18. GLOOB

    GLOOB Mentor

    Sep 16, 2007
    All depends on the gear. Can be done for a little or a lot. But first, make sure you can get the components.

    Luckily, LPP seem to be the one kind of primer still easily obtainable. But good luck on the powder. You might need to get creative.
  19. greybeard57

    greybeard57 New Member

    Jan 11, 2013
    NE Iowaaah, in a cornfield
    It was suggested earlier to check out FS reloading. Not going to help right now, they are at least a month behind on filling new orders. Ask me how I know that.

    On the other hand, there is a different company in the same town called Titan Reloading that hasn't gotten the greed bug like FS did recently. I bought my Loadmaster for $213 on Jan 1 at FS and now it's $288, Titan was always a bit more than the $213 but they hadn't raised prices as of last Monday. :confused:
  20. BYJO4

    BYJO4 Participating Member

    Nov 28, 2010
    At the moment, everything is hard to find. However, getting into reloading will be a plus to you for many years to come. Check the websites daily and buy the equipment and componets as they become available at a reasonable price.

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