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Reloads For Concealed Carry Against The Law?

Discussion in 'Handloading and Reloading' started by PCCUSNRET, Apr 7, 2013.


    PCCUSNRET Well-Known Member

    Neice's husband told me yesterday that it is illegal to use reloads for concealed carry in Ohio. Is this fact or fiction?
  2. Boomer4570

    Boomer4570 Well-Known Member

    No! Not against the law, but very very bad idea. Read Massad Ayoob's books for an in depth explanation why.
  3. Sol

    Sol Well-Known Member

    Fiction. Supposedly there was a case a guy used (during self defense) reloads that were hot and was found guilty of murder...that being said I cannot confirm or deny that case actually exists.
  4. CLP

    CLP Well-Known Member

    fiction, though there's a concern by some folks that if you used handloaded ammunition in a self defense situation an anti-RKBA prosecutor could try to make an example out of you. the more appropriate concern is that some people prefer factory self defense ammo for reliability (though most on this forum would argue their hand loads are more reliable than factory). Personally, until I can Hydra-Shok bulllets and load them myself I use factory ammo in my HD firearm. But I don't see anything wrong with using handloads either.
  5. bds

    bds Well-Known Member

    No but there are considerations ...


  6. Reloadron

    Reloadron Well-Known Member

    Fiction is my guess. Everything I read in the ORC mentions nothing about the choice of ammunition. It would be nice if the niece's husband could provide something in the ORC as I sure can't find it.

    While the argument can be made factory ammunition is more reliable or that someone can hand load making more destructive ammunition opening the door for civil arguments I see no reason not to use hand loads if you have confidence in them.


  7. alsaqr

    alsaqr Well-Known Member

    IMO: A shooter facing a jury has much larger problems than the type of ammunition used in that shoot. Handgun editor Sheriff Jim Wilson and a retired federal judge searched high and low for a shooting case where the use of handloads made a difference in the jurys decision: They found none.
  8. bds

    bds Well-Known Member

    Consider this. Much, much more info at the linked thread even with Masaad Ayoob commenting on the thread - http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?p=7855911#post7855911

  9. NeuseRvrRat

    NeuseRvrRat Well-Known Member

    here we go again....
  10. buck460XVR

    buck460XVR Well-Known Member

  11. beatledog7

    beatledog7 Well-Known Member

    Yesterday a thread about giving up the AR for HD because of bad press and possible negative jury influence. This handloads for SD/HD discussion has gone around a bunch of times.

    My take: arguing that the use of a legal means of defending oneself could be trouble in court means that one is not very confident in his ability to make a proper shoot/don't shoot decision. If I have to shoot, whether I can win my court case is really moot--I'm alive, probably because I made the shoot decision.

    If I properly defend myself or my family, whether I fire an AR with handloaded cartridges is utterly beside the point, and if a jury decides otherwise--well, I guess I don't have to worry about what to make for dinner.
  12. ljnowell

    ljnowell Well-Known Member

    Mas Ayoobs reasoning has never occured. Not once. Pure speculation of an event thats fiction.

    Its the daniel bias case. He was found guilty because he shot his wife. Bullet entry angle, etc., was all the evidence needed.

    This is a topic thats been beaten to death. If you dont want to do it dont. If you do, then do it. If your shoot is justified, its justified, end of story. I will continue to use my handloads. I like to knoew that every primer has priming compound, that every powder charge is perfect, etc. I trust my loads with my life.
  13. -Gadsden-

    -Gadsden- Well-Known Member

    while I understand the cautious reasoning of recommending not to use reloads, it doesn't really make much sense when applied to other factors.

    For instance, should you not use hollow points? Couldn't a prosecutor say that you were attempting to inflict maximum damage? Can you not shoot a .357 or .44 when a .32 or .380 could have sufficed?

    With all those other factors, a prosecution could theoretically point you out to be a blood-thirsty killer (they probably already will), but I've always heard people recommend using as much gun as you can shoot accurately, and I've never heard anyone recommend a smaller caliber or less effective round so that you can be viewed favorably by a jury if you're put on trial.

    That being said, I personally heed the advice to shoot factory ammo for SD.
  14. Clark

    Clark Well-Known Member

  15. Sam1911

    Sam1911 Moderator

  16. 345 DeSoto

    345 DeSoto Well-Known Member

    Popcorn, anyone?...:rolleyes:
  17. gamestalker

    gamestalker member

    I have actually consulted with a personal defense attorney about your question. He said that there is no case history of such, and absolutely no law that exists regarding such. Now I would imagine that in today's constantly challenging and changing 2nd amendment times that this is certain to gain more attention than ever before, but for the moment we are OK.


    CPLofMARINES Well-Known Member

    If not using a reload that isn't too far from the norm, how
    Would the prosecution know anyways ?? :uhoh:

    Semper Fi

    CPLofMARINES Well-Known Member

    What I'm saying is, "Prove It." :)

    PCCUSNRET Well-Known Member

    I have heard the many reasons for and against using reloads for self defense and I apologize if my question wasn't clear. My neice's husband was told by the individual conducting his CCW training it was against the law in Ohio to have reloads in his conceal carry gun. I had never heard this before and was curious as to how this would be checked if true. For my personal CCW I use commercial ammo but would use my reloads if that was all I had available.

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