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Remington 700 vs Ruger M77

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by GunNut1976, Jan 9, 2011.

  1. GunNut1976

    GunNut1976 New Member

    Dec 6, 2010
    Looking at buying one of these two rifles. I've considered most all of the 30-06s
    on the market and I have it narrowed down to these 2. ya know weatherby used to make top of the line rifles but now they outsource almost all of their work and try to call themselves an american company. If money were an issue I'd probably go with a savage cuz I think thats really the best rifle for the price. Nothing else really jumped out at me. The remington 700 is the bolt action standard and Ruger is just an awesome company. I'm curious what everyone thinks. Could you please give me some info instead of just "Remington 700" or "Ruger is better". I'd actually like to know the differences between these 2 rifles. I'm told that the 700 is more popular but when it comes down to it it's mostly a personal preference thingas they are both great guns. All things being the same I'll go with the Ruger. They have the best customer service in the market and I love the fact that they're all american.
  2. rodregier

    rodregier Participating Member

    Aug 5, 2007
    Halifax,NS Canada
    By way of background, I own a Ruger 77 and Savage 110 in centrefire bolt guns. If I buy another centrefire bolt gun I would probably go with a Stevens 200 (which is the Savage 110 re-labelled).

    On the topic of "popularity" as opposed to pure technical merit:

    If it's important to you there are a lot more aftermarkets parts for the Rem 700 than the Ruger 77 series. Likewise, there is a lot more gunsmith knowledge available for the Rem 700 than the Ruger 77.

    The angled action screw system in the Ruger 77 scares some gunsmiths if you wanted to have it bedded to the stock.
  3. jmr40

    jmr40 Mentor

    May 26, 2007
    5 or 10 years ago I'd have said Remington all the way. Rugers have always been known for rugged reliability, but mediocre accuracy. Since they came out with the new Hawkeye and the new LC-6 trigger I'd put a Ruger up against a new Remington any day.

    The Rugers are all steel construction with a proven rugged design. You may never need the controlled round feeding, but for the same money or less, why not. The push feed Remingtons work just fine most of the time, but I prefer the added insurance of a more rugged extraction and ejection system.

    Rugers will be about $100 less and come with great factory scope mounts.
  4. Lloyd Smale

    Lloyd Smale Participating Member

    Jan 23, 2003
    Munising MI
    personaly if i was buying a gun and it was going to be my only gun and i wanted to insure accuracy and have a good looking gun to be proud of it would be a remington 700. Savage is another good choise but there just not all that good looking but they do shoot. Not that rugers arent good guns but ive owned a bunch of them through the years and its alot more often that ive gotten a lemon when it came to accuracy with a ruger then i have with a rem sav or win. I know youve rulled out weatherbys but the vargurards are another one that are usually very accurate for the same money.
  5. PT1911

    PT1911 Senior Member

    Feb 27, 2009
    Of the two, i would likely go with the 700, but that is mostly because if it did happen to have problems, i know a good smith who can fix whatever ailment it has and throw in a couple of extra goodies... Why would i choose the Remington over the Ruger? For me it comes down to potential accuracy for the money put into the gun... IMO, in factory rifles, nowadays, if one can afford to spend the money doing some accurizing work, the 700 action has such capability to be a sub .25 inch gun that it has to pull ahead in most races.

    Honestly however, if i was looking at a new bolt actions in that price range, i would give the Tikka's a strong look, that would ultimately be my choice, but then Amercian made part isnt high on my list of musts...

    Between the Ruger and Remington, i have little doubt you would be pleased no matter which you ultimately choose.
  6. dagger dog

    dagger dog Senior Member

    Jan 30, 2008
    SO. IN
    I was looking for a bolt gun in .308 Winchester caliber, and I considered the 700 Remington in the police version, but I wanted a 26" barrel, to be able to take full advantage of any handload that I was able to produce.

    Was able to use a friends 700 PPS and quite frankly didn't like the trigger or the gun,it is dead accurate but I just didn't click with it! The bolt raceways were a little gritty along with the trigger, but this rifle was still pretty new.

    I guess having the claw extractor and controlled round feed (although I installed a magazine cut off and shoot it single shot push feed style),Mauser type wing saftey, sold me on the Ruger. I sprung for the Target Varmint. IMO you can't find a better "stock" trigger, I was able to shoot some sub 1"@ 100yd 5 shot groups with my hand loads on the first trip. Lucky? Yeah maybe, getting that kind of bang for my buck on my first Ruger centerfire rifle.

    Things I don't like about the Ruger, those damn integral scope mounts, it limits the optics! The RUGER TARGET GREY, I would much rather prefer a matte blue but couldn't get that in a heavy barrel configuration. That slanted forward action screw, I'm not saying it keeps you from glass bedding the stock but it not a DIY at least not for me.

    Over all it is a hard pick between those two, I still don't own a bolt Remington (got two Savages) but I still plan to own a 700, just got to find the right one to follow me home.
  7. SwampWolf

    SwampWolf Senior Member

    Sep 18, 2005
    North Central Ohio
    I've had Ruger Model 77s since the early seventies and have always been more than pleased with their reliability and accuracy. My only complaint over the years is that their triggers are on the heavy side (but the same can be said for a lot of bolt-action rifles made from the 1970s up until relatively recently). Contrary to dagger dog's complaint ("Things I don't like about the Ruger, those damn integral scope mounts, it limits the optics!"), I think the integral scope mount (and accompanying free rings) are a plus. Maybe my choice of scopes is a little less esoteric than dagger dog's is. :)
  8. ColeK

    ColeK Member

    Mar 15, 2008
    I would go with the Ruger.
    In the last 10 years I've bought 5 Rugers, 4 new & 1 used. All shot 1" - 1 1/4" the first time at the range. After a little work on thier triggers and handloads they were all sub-MOA rifles.

    I can't say that about the Remingtons I've owned or still own.
  9. Abel

    Abel Senior Member

    Jan 30, 2010
    Eastern CONUS
  10. pikid89

    pikid89 Participating Member

    Aug 11, 2009
    The Gator Nation
    i have 4 rugers and one remington...just playing with them, the ruger seems much more refined. The bolt is a beast compared to the remington bolt. The extractor on the remington is just a little bitty blade inside the bolt head but the ruger extractor is a monster, grabbing like a quarter of the rim in a death grip...ive had issues with the remi extracting burst cases but the ruger always delivers even on the most stubborn cases
    i dig the integral mounts on the ruger as well, one less spot for something to go wrong.
    Ive no experience with the new LC6 trigger but a drop in timney on my mkIIs cured all my trigger woes
  11. Red Tornado

    Red Tornado Participating Member

    Jun 22, 2004
    NE Arkansas
    Ford or Chevy?
  12. Craigman

    Craigman Member

    Apr 28, 2009
    lower RH part of the Mitten
    Wow!!! actually some Ruger love here. I kinda thought nobody here like them any more. If you would have put one against a savage it would have been a landslide for the savage. Both are great IMHO
    I love both my Rugers. 30-06 and a 243. The 243 is an older shiny stainless one and shoots like a laser beam to 200yds with anything i put through it. The 30-06 just looks and feels 'tough". Both shoot great with handloads tuned to their liking and have never let me down on a hunt.
    On the other hand, Remingtons just seem too commercial or something to me. I owned one and sold it within a year. Maybe its just preference. It shot ok, just didn't feel great, and i didn't spend a whole lot of time on the load building.
    Go hold both and see which one does it for you. They'll both be great hunters I'm sure
  13. txgolfer45

    txgolfer45 Active Member

    Dec 26, 2002
    I have a Remington 700 ADL in .270 and a Ruger M77 MKII in 30-06. I really like both of them. The 700 ADL is flat out accurate with sub MOA accuracy at 100 yds and your basick black synthetic stock and barrel. The Ruger is a little less accurate but more refined with nice wood and blued barrel and very smooth action. But, both are hunting rifles not bench rest competition rifles.

    I like my 700 ADL better than the SPS model that replaced it.
  14. dan3

    dan3 New Member

    Feb 8, 2010
    south florida
    Of the two, I'd go for the Ruger. I prefer the Ruger's action over the Remington. The "built in" scope mounts, free scope rings, controlled feed bolt...all seem to be a better deal. I like the Ruger stock design,etc... guess I'm just a Ruger fan !!
  15. Welding Rod

    Welding Rod Participating Member

    Mar 23, 2008
    I would go with the Ruger.

    I like the beefy bottom metal and scope mount setup.
  16. GuysModel94

    GuysModel94 Member

    Dec 5, 2010
    GunNut: your info on the Wbys. is incorrect, it is true they purchase the barrels and receiver's from Howa,(for the Vanguards) but the guns are built and QA'd in the same factory that now builts the Mark V's. One rifle i would suggest is the Winchester Model 70, now made by FNH in South Caroline; they are getting great reviews.
  17. Durty

    Durty New Member

    Aug 31, 2010
    San Antonio, TX
    I have a Ruger M77 chambered in 30-06. I also have 3 model 700s (none of which are 30-06). I like the Remingtons better than the Ruger. The controlled round feed is nice on the Ruger but I have never once had an issue with a Remington feeding ammo properly. I would never doubt anyone for buying a Ruger because mine shoots great. However, if I was to recommend one over the other, I will always recommend Remington. Fit and feel is so nice and they are so easily customizable if you ever want to make changes.
  18. Coal Dragger

    Coal Dragger Participating Member

    Mar 25, 2008
    Black Hills, SD
    I would go with the Ruger.

    1.) Ruger M77's just flat out work, and keep on working under adverse conditions.

    2.) Since Ruger started hammer forging their own barrels, they tend to shoot well.

    3.) Very solid integral scope mounts/rings, that are included with the rifle.

    4.) Ruger's safety is superior to the Remington, and is more reliable.

    5.) Controlled round feeding is a plus.

    6.) Ruger fit and finish is consistently pretty good lately, Remington... not so much.

    7.) Ruger is financially stable, Remington keeps changing ownership usually not for the better. Overall quality suffers due to this.
  19. longdayjake

    longdayjake Senior Member

    Apr 10, 2008
    Genesee, ID
    I own a hawkeye and an older mkII. THe lc6 trigger is a huge improvement over the mkII trigger, but either trigger is VERY easy to modify to get whatever weight and creep you prefer. I did some trigger work on the MKII that took about 15 minutes of polishing and just a tad bit of shaving. Then I cut down the trigger spring just a hair and now I have a 2# trigger. I was nervous about the accuracy of the rifle because all I had shot through it was military surplus and the accuracy was only about 2" at 100 yards. Then I decided to take it out and shoot some hunting loads that I made out of 180 grain Amax's. At 200 yards it shot pretty close to a 1" group. Granted that was just 5 shots, but I used military surplus 4895 pulldown powder that has never been very consistent for me. I was very surprised as the only reason I shot it at 200 yards was to see if the rifle could be good enough at 200 yards to shoot a deer.

    I use the hawkeye in .223 to shoot rockchucks at 200 yards all day long. It probably has about 500 rounds of hornady vmax through it and another 500 of 55 grain fmj and it will shoot about 1" at 200 yards as well. Here are some videos of what it can do. The rifle in the video has an aftermarket stock that I freefloated. No bedding at all.




  20. george d dennis

    george d dennis Member

    Jan 23, 2008
    Baltic ct
    ruger, had one since the 80s. wouldnt want anything else.

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