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Removing "Stand Your Ground" provisions?

Discussion in 'Legal' started by dbp, Jan 28, 2013.

  1. dbp

    dbp Well-Known Member


    I just ran across this concerning New Hampshire, but it also lists several other states that are also looking at removing the "stand your ground" language from the state's gun laws. I am particularly concerned about seeing my state (S.C.) listed here. I know there are numerous other folks on here from S.C. Have any of you heard anything about this?

    This is quite worrisome!
  2. mgmorden

    mgmorden Well-Known Member

    Remember that ANY member of the legislature can introduce ANY bill they want. South Carolina actually had one state legislature member introduce a bill a few years back to ban the use of profanity (in print, on the internet, in everyday speech). Didn't go anywhere.

    I wouldn't expect any other anti-gun bills go go anywhere in this state either. We've actually been repealing gun laws over the last 10 years. The only thing I'd be afraid of is Federal level legislation.
  3. mgkdrgn

    mgkdrgn Well-Known Member

    Not a snowballs chance in hell.
  4. dbp

    dbp Well-Known Member

    I don't feel a provision like that would have a chance either in S.C. But just to see that it has been discussed is weird. I wonder where the guy that wrote this article got his information.

    Anyway, I''l be at the State House on Feb. 8th with I hope a huge crowd.
  5. Ryanxia

    Ryanxia Well-Known Member

    I hope it doesn't go through.

    This is one of those situations where the law has no right to tell you what to do. If you fear for your life you have a God given right to protect yourself by any means necessary.

    The laws that some places have that would require my 77 year old grandfather to "run first" before drawing on some thugs is ridiculous and irrational.
  6. Ehtereon11B

    Ehtereon11B internet infantryman

    New York state has a duty to retreat clause in their Castle doctrine. Meaning if able to, you are to run away in the attempt of a home invasion situation. I never saw how this was a viable alternative considering more than likely it would just lead to getting shot or stabbed in the back. Stand your ground laws are very clearly written, to stand the ground where you are legally allowed to be. Cases such as the George Zimmerman case where a "volunteer neighborhood watch" (read as vigilante) not in his own neighborhood chases after a suspicious teen are what call stand your ground laws into the light because that is his defense.

    I am all for avoiding conflict when I am out and about. I avoid sketchy areas of town when possible, road rage, and general confrontations. It is the high road of being a concealed carry. But when violence comes to YOU right where you live or work, it is much harder to avoid.
  7. MrTwigg

    MrTwigg Well-Known Member

    E-mail your state rep, then write a letter on paper and follow it up with a phone call. Write letters to your local newspapers and contact other media.

    Shout them down !

    When people say things like "snowballs chance in hell", " they're crazy" and "Never gonna happen" it means they usually (not necessaraily you mgkdrgn) aren't going to one dang thing to preserve their rights.

    When enough people say these things and fail to take action we will lose.

    Remember these people are using Alinsky's playbook and they will stop at nothing to complete their adgenda.

    So write, call, show up when the bill hits the floor for debate, counter every lie they spew with facts. Make them look like the blathering fools they are and expose them for all the world to see.
  8. 2nd 41

    2nd 41 Well-Known Member

    Without "stand you ground" the lawyers are back in business. Let's say stopping force was used against a crook/criminal in yourhouse. His lawyer will say he was only there to take your TV or Toaster.... my client was not going to hurt you.
    Last edited: Jan 30, 2013
  9. hariph creek

    hariph creek Well-Known Member

    Fools say, "stand your ground" just makes it easier to kill people.
    "Stand your ground" just insures victims are not prosecuted, for defending themselves.
    Look to England, it's against the law to defend ones own life. Let alone spouse, children, innocent...better dead or raped, beaten maybe crippled?
  10. blkbrd666

    blkbrd666 Well-Known Member

    South Carolina??? Isn't SC the only state in the southeast that doesn't reciprocate with its border states on concealed carry??? I always thought it was the most anti state we had down here. Unless I'm wrong, it's not surprising.
  11. SSN Vet

    SSN Vet Well-Known Member

    ME, NH & MA do not reciprocate
  12. blkbrd666

    blkbrd666 Well-Known Member

    Yeah, but I was kinda looking at "down here" meaning the SE. I noticed that the paperwork with permit showed I could go most anywhere down here as long as I didn't go through SC. Most NE states I wouldn't even drive through anyway because I might need gas or food. Every penny I can keep away from the more oppressive states is a good thing.
    Last edited: Jan 29, 2013
  13. mgkdrgn

    mgkdrgn Well-Known Member

    The "border state" we don't recip with is GA, and that was mainly because of a Jakie Knox led pissing contest. (he didn't like the fact they required no training)

    Now that Jakie has been "retired", I expect that to change some time in the near future.

    If you get to the point, on an issue as clear cut as this, where you have to "educate" your legislators .... they you elected the wrong ones.
  14. dbp

    dbp Well-Known Member

    Yeah, it's aggravating to head west on I-20 and go all the way out to Texas and have Georgia as the only non-recip state.
  15. robhof

    robhof Well-Known Member

    After a law suit filed in Texas by a felon who was shot in the legs by a shotgun upon breaking into a house, and the felon won, our local sheriff came on the TV and said to shoot to kill if an intruder enters your home and if he's not armed give him one of your kitchen knives befor LE arrives. This was some 40 years ago in Okaloosa county Fl. and the Sheriff got elected for 3 more terms after that. Today he would be crusified by the media.
  16. mgkdrgn

    mgkdrgn Well-Known Member

    Retreat to WHERE, exactly?

    NYS says home invaders have a more legal right to be in YOUR HOME than you do?

    I knew NYS had become pretty messed up, but REALLY ....
    Last edited by a moderator: Feb 4, 2013
  17. Lupinus

    Lupinus Well-Known Member

    Here in SC?

    BWAHAHAHAHA not a snow clones chance in hell
  18. Deer_Freak

    Deer_Freak Member.

    After the Martin shooting just about every state said they would revisit their Castle Doctrine or stand your ground law. They all said they didn't want loopholes in castle doctrines or stand your ground laws to be used as a license to kill. You can look forward to self protection laws being revisited in almost every state. Here in NC they are waiting to see how the Zimmerman trial plays out.
  19. Ehtereon11B

    Ehtereon11B internet infantryman

    I don't know. It was one thing I never understood about living in that state. It is hard to defend yourself under NYS Castle Doctrine because of the duty to retreat clause. It states if you can "safely" retreat in a home invasion/burglary to do so. All it takes is for one overzealous attorney to say "well you didn't blow a wall off your house to escape so you didn't even try to get away." Or some other ridiculous nonsense.
    Last edited by a moderator: Feb 4, 2013
  20. Acelaw

    Acelaw Active Member

    Put the lawyers back in business? It never fails to amaze me how demonized lawyers are on this site.

    Let's put this one to bed. Please list three cases in SC where a burglary defendant successfully sued a homeowner after being shot.

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