Residents Terrified Over Idea Of Deadly Weapon On Streets

[EAdams]

http://wcbstv.com/seenon/submachine.gun.mp5.2.633364.html

SHOCK: Wayne, N.J. Police Lose MP5 Submachine Gun
The Wayne Police Department had three MP5 submachine guns. That is until last week, when one of them went missing.
"I'm scared to death, because they're protecting our community and so they should have control over that a little better," said Wayne resident Gina Okun.
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"The obvious concern is what could happen if such a dangerous weapon -- which is not available for sale to the public -- were to end up in the wrong hands."
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"I hope they find it, before someone else do," said Wayne resident Fuquan Muslim.
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"It's probably in the police station," resident Joey Lamartino said. "This is a safe town."
"The fear is what happens if it's not?"

 

[Winchester 73]

The number of sheep seems to be multiplying more rapidly.
Wonder how she'd do in London or Berlin during the 1941 Blitzes?
These people make me ill.

 

[Kind of Blued]

Oops.

 

[cobrian45]

Hmmm, what's this in the garbage? Is that an MP... couldn't be. Vaccuum pack and bury time. It'll blow over in 10 or so years. Then, it's play time.

 

[Autolycus]

So the police department lost their machine gun? How can this be? They are professionals.

 

[Logan5]

See the difference between

Residents Terrified Over Idea Of Deadly Weapon On Streets

and

"I'm scared to death, because they're protecting our community and so they should have control over that a little better," said Wayne resident Gina Okun.

Clearly, the residents ought to be worried that the PD might be incompetent. I mean, "Whoops!" dosen't cover that kind of thing, right?

It's sensible to be worried that your police department seems not to care very carefully for very expensive equipment. In many jurisdictions, taxpayers scream and cry and Sherriffs are sacked when they try to buy DoD surplus M14's... But the headline of the article tries to make it sound like everyone knows that the MP-5 is a sentient doomsday robot with a savage thirst for human blood.
It's much less of a concern that some random lucky person might stumble across an SMG... the problem here is that that piece of equipment probably cost as much as a patrol car, (even though it's a 42 year old design that's license built in Mexico, Turkey, Greece, the Sudan, etc...) and apparently no one felt any need to take very good care of the thing?

 

[EAdams]

Maybe the PETA or ALF equivalent for firearms 'liberated' it and plan on setting it free in the wilds of a more gun friendly state. Seriously though..

Is it common for a police department in a city with total population of ~50,000 to have 3 automatic MP5s for SWAT use? Are they concerned that New Jersey's strict gun laws are not working?

Hope that someone on the THR lives in the area and will send a letter to the editor expressing their opinion of printing stories about events that happened a week ago in a tone that evokes as much panic and fear as possible short of ending with "The person who stole it IS IN YOUR BACKYARD RIGHT NOW." Had the reporter interviewed city council members, etc and framed the story in an objective manner local citizens might actually react with rational thought and pressure the local government to do a better job with oversight of city owned automatic weaponry...instead of reading the story and then out of terror probably voting for people to place more restrictive gun laws on the public.

 

[pete f]

its under a blanket in one of the cops attics.


Actual over the counter price for that gun was probably in the range of 650 to a thousand bucks. Why? because that was what HK was charging LEO depts a few years back, the $25,000 Dollar (as much as a squad car) comment refers to civilian legal, pre 86 SMG's on the open civilian market, today that gun costs about 1150, with sights and 10 mags.

An MP5 is maybe one of the best CQB guns made, when loaded with good JHP ammo, they are really quite effective. far better than a m4 at close range.

 

[chris in va]

which is not available for sale to the public

Sure it is. At least the older versions.

 

[Standing Wolf]

The Wayne Police Department had three MP5 submachine guns.

I think I've just spotted the problem. Why should the police have more rights than the commoners?

 

[Aguila Blanca]

Clearly, the residents ought to be worried that the PD might be incompetent. I mean, "Whoops!" dosen't cover that kind of thing, right?

Well, as a former President famously said, "It depends."

"Whoops" doesn't cover it at all if a citizen has a privately-owned firearm go missing. Many states are now jumping on the bandwagon and passing laws requiring notification of the police within 'X' hours, which often doesn't leave enough time to even adequately look around the workshop, gun safe, and car trunk to see if you mislaid it. And that's just for a normal firearm.

But a police full-auto assault weapon? Sure, "Whoops!" covers it quite adequately, because -- after all -- they're the police. Laws don't apply to police.

 

[Mannlicher]

Oh! The Humanity......................

 

[Old Guy]

You do know this is a very clumsy 9mm pistol do you not!

 

[209]

***** happens. I remember weapons being lost when I was in the service. Granted some of those losses were what we called "combat losses", but I also know of losses when we were definitely not in a combat situation. The cops lost a gun. Big deal.

Having said that, I wouldn't want to be the officer charged with accountability of that gun. There's likely go to be a major witch hunt going on there and some poor sap is going to take a major hit. Especially because it's NJ.

 

[Hokkmike]

Losing something like this should be a serious concern, nothing sheeple about it.

 

[gyp_c2]

yup...

...I can see it now...Can I please come home wit you? My mommy is losted...

 

[v35]

NJ is a classic study in a civilization that has willingly and peacefully given up its rights. One must actually live there to appreciate how true that statement is. Corruption at all levels - including local police and all levels of government - is not only tolerated to a great degree, but dependence upon all levels of government is also common. In other words, NJers expect protection from the very government they know is corrupt. Students of history can find any number of failed civilizations that followed the same course. The outcome is not pretty.

I don't mean this to slam New Jerseyans. I was born and raised there, and watched the situation slide toward the collectivist mentality it has become. I have first hand knowledge of the corruption that is destroying that state, and can provide several anecdotes that would shock you. Unless you live in NJ of course.

NJ's government is above the law, and its subjects has given it their blessings.

Why should the police have more rights than the commoners?

Standing Wolf, if you were to ask this question of most New Jerseyans their answer would amaze you. Of course police should have more rights - they're the police!

These people make me ill.

The very reason I escaped.

 

[stevek]

Yeah, we're planning our escape also. NJ just passed a law that would charge an individual if they didn't report a missing gun within 36 hours. I guess the Wayne PD reported the missing gun to themselves

 

[Lucky]

Pete F you have to admit people shot with them at Enteb and the Iran Embassy didn't just fall down and lie still like in the movies. Something about empting magazines, hitting, and targets remaining combative, I remember. No idea what bullets.

 

[axeman_g]

v35....
I agree with almost all you had to say. Being a NJ resident I am sometimes amazed at what people say or repeat about gun ownership and guns in general. There are many reasons why, one of the main ones is the lack of ancestral knowledge... The gun bashing here has been going on so long, the disinformation so profuse that generations of people actually think what they hear is gospel.

I would love to hear about your corruption anecdotes...

 

[The Lone Haranguer]

"I'm scared to death, because they're protecting our community and so they should have control over that a little better," said Wayne resident Gina Okun.

"I hope they find it, before someone else do," said Wayne resident Fuquan Muslim.

Grammar aside, these are really not unreasonable concerns. You lose your car keys or wallet; you darned well do not lose guns. I would agree that the implication that the entire community is "terrified" is over the top.

 

[ConstitutionCowboy]

Hmm, this coincides nicely with the [thread=332300]guy toting a shotgun in the Capitol [/thread]. Timely, isn't it. Much better thought out, though. No apparent "culprit" to blame, but that's good for their cause. It's much more frightening when it could be a terrorist, or a lunatic.

Seems strange when occasionally you find out that an agency like the FBI looses tens or hundreds of guns from time to time, yet there is no "panic". Why now with this one gun?

I think the truth of the matter lies somewhere in the fact that logic says arms in the hands of the people is the best place for arms to be kept, and all that is left to the left is emotion. Contrived emotion at that!

Woody

"Give a man a policeman and (maybe) protect him for a day; give him a gun and protect him for life." Elzorro

 

[gbran]

Ain't this a hoot? For years, the media has called everything under the sun and assault weapon, now there's a real one on the street and everybody is terrified. Go figure.

 

[GTSteve03]

"Whoops" doesn't cover it at all if a citizen has a privately-owned firearm go missing. Many states are now jumping on the bandwagon and passing laws requiring notification of the police within 'X' hours, which often doesn't leave enough time to even adequately look around the workshop, gun safe, and car trunk to see if you mislaid it. And that's just for a normal firearm.

Guns are kind of like kids. You don't accidentally misplace your children.

They require a little more responsibility to know their whereabouts than say, your sunglasses.

 

[sm]

I think I've just spotted the problem. Why should the police have more rights than the commoners?

All animals are created equal, just some are more equal than others. - Animal Farm