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Discussion in 'Activism' started by hso, Feb 2, 2011.

  1. zmoore1991

    zmoore1991 Member

    Great video. Obama might be thinking twice about that funding to PBS now, though...
  2. hso

    hso Moderator Staff Member

    The Lee Amendment vote tells us who our friends are in the Senate (even thought it didn't pass by one vote).

    YEAs ---50
    Alexander (R-TN)
    Ayotte (R-NH)
    Barrasso (R-WY)
    Baucus (D-MT)
    Blunt (R-MO)
    Boozman (R-AR)
    Burr (R-NC)
    Chambliss (R-GA)
    Coats (R-IN)
    Coburn (R-OK)
    Cochran (R-MS)
    Collins (R-ME)
    Corker (R-TN)
    Cornyn (R-TX)
    Crapo (R-ID)
    Cruz (R-TX)
    Donnelly (D-IN)
    Enzi (R-WY)
    Fischer (R-NE)
    Flake (R-AZ)
    Graham (R-SC)
    Grassley (R-IA)
    Hagan (D-NC)
    Hatch (R-UT)
    Heitkamp (D-ND)
    Heller (R-NV)
    Hoeven (R-ND)
    Inhofe (R-OK)
    Isakson (R-GA)
    Johanns (R-NE)
    Johnson (R-WI)
    Lee (R-UT)
    Manchin (D-WV)
    McCain (R-AZ)
    McConnell (R-KY)
    Moran (R-KS)
    Murkowski (R-AK)
    Paul (R-KY)
    Portman (R-OH)
    Pryor (D-AR)
    Risch (R-ID)
    Roberts (R-KS)
    Rubio (R-FL)
    Scott (R-SC)
    Sessions (R-AL)
    Shelby (R-AL)
    Thune (R-SD)
    Toomey (R-PA)
    Vitter (R-LA)
    Wicker (R-MS)

    NAYs ---49
    Baldwin (D-WI)
    Begich (D-AK)
    Bennet (D-CO)
    Blumenthal (D-CT)
    Boxer (D-CA)
    Brown (D-OH)
    Cantwell (D-WA)
    Cardin (D-MD)
    Carper (D-DE)
    Casey (D-PA)
    Coons (D-DE)
    Cowan (D-MA)
    Durbin (D-IL)
    Feinstein (D-CA)
    Franken (D-MN)
    Gillibrand (D-NY)
    Harkin (D-IA)
    Heinrich (D-NM)
    Hirono (D-HI)
    Johnson (D-SD)
    Kaine (D-VA)
    King (I-ME)
    Kirk (R-IL)
    Klobuchar (D-MN)
    Landrieu (D-LA)
    Leahy (D-VT)
    Levin (D-MI)
    McCaskill (D-MO)
    Menendez (D-NJ)
    Merkley (D-OR)
    Mikulski (D-MD)
    Murphy (D-CT)
    Murray (D-WA)
    Nelson (D-FL)
    Reed (D-RI)
    Reid (D-NV)
    Rockefeller (D-WV)
    Sanders (I-VT)
    Schatz (D-HI)
    Schumer (D-NY)
    Shaheen (D-NH)
    Stabenow (D-MI)
    Tester (D-MT)
    Udall (D-CO)
    Udall (D-NM)
    Warner (D-VA)
    Warren (D-MA)
    Whitehouse (D-RI)
    Wyden (D-OR)
  3. theshephard

    theshephard Well-Known Member


    I know this is old news, but since it hasn't been mentioned I think I should point it out:

    I believe this recounting of the NRA's history is inaccurate as told in this video.

    I'd really, sincerely appreciate someone correcting me on this. My understanding is that the NRA was started earlier than the instances cited, specifically by two union soldiers upset at the lack of Northern aptitude at reconciling POA & POI.

    It's true that some local chapters were organized for the reason he states and that the national organization chartered those local organizations, but the NRA as a national organization wasn't started for these reasons, AFAIK.

    The NRA can and should rightly take credit for their involvement in helping freed slaves defend themselves from the KKK, but it's important to qualify this video up front with an acknowledgement that the history isn't quite accurate. Being honest and upfront about this avoids putting us in the position of losing credibility for promoting something that isn't historically accurate and thus distracting from the truly valuable substance of what's discussed.

    Again, I'd really like it if someone more knowledgeable on this would correct me. Don't hate - just posting this in the spirit of helping improve our strength of representation and argument.
  4. kwguy

    kwguy Well-Known Member

    It's not the NRA making that statement, but those individuals.

    It may be a case of them talking about the NRA from their particular perspective and context (local chapters, being chartered by the national organization) and not simply being concerned about when the 'national organization' actually formed.

    Either way, that's a powerful statement, and since it flies in the face of the MSM, and reinforces the NRA as a positive organization, it'll never make 'prime time'. But I hope more people see it.
  5. Prophet

    Prophet Well-Known Member

    theshepard, I've been doing a lot of research on this lately. Here's something I came across that may or may not be of value to the conversation. It concerns the rifle club that was created by civil rights activist Robert Franklin Williams and chartered by the NRA.


    I'd love to read the letter Robert Franklin Williams sent to the NRA.
  6. 45crittergitter

    45crittergitter Well-Known Member

  7. FourTeeFive

    FourTeeFive Well-Known Member

  8. Hunt480

    Hunt480 Well-Known Member

  9. Ryanxia

    Ryanxia Well-Known Member

    Senator King - add him to the list

    theautobahn mentioned King sent out an e-mail and I just checked and sure enough this is what he wrote.

    My brief response.
  10. MasterSergeantA

    MasterSergeantA Well-Known Member

    I thought #5 was already a federal crime.
  11. bigdaa

    bigdaa member

    The reason for high capacity magazines is simple:

    They are the tools we use to level the field against tyranny in this Nation.

    The progression by the left is simple:

    High cap>15 round>10 round>7 round>wheelguns only>38 caliber and smaller only>single shot>no shot
  12. bk42261

    bk42261 Well-Known Member

    King on Assault Weapons Ban

    We have looked at this in so many different ways..and we wanted to make sure it was enforceable.
  13. barnbwt

    barnbwt Well-Known Member

    I love how his logic in #6 is completely counter to his reasoning in #7 :D:D

    "It is important to emphasize that these [magazines] have exactly the same functionality as the common semi-automatic [magazines] owned by thousands of Maine residents"

    Some people just have a whole mess of spaghetti for a world view. At least he's up front with his "gun violence" code language right in the first bullet :)D) point; saves us some time hashing out his position based on the rest of his letter--very efficient. I can't believe these guys are still trying to work the Fudd angle--don't they know there's precious few of those left, these days?

    "Probably the best example of this history is the apparently absolute prohibition on infringements on freedom of speech contained in the First Amendment ... which has long been interpreted to have limits--that free speech does not include the right to shout “fire!” in a crowded theater, for example."

    And yet the freedom of speech allows us to set fire to an American flag in a crowd of people--see, I can come up with non-sequitors, too!:D

    The First Amendment isn't about shooting off a blank in a crowd, and the Second isn't about hunting :banghead:

    I do give the man credit for writing a lengthy letter. I've been irritated by one-sentence (form) responses from some the very gun-supportive folks here in Texas. King at least still feels the need to defend his actions.

    Last edited: Apr 17, 2013
  14. bk42261

    bk42261 Well-Known Member

    More time now.
    To expand on his response to assault weapons ban:
    Every time a weapon is prohibited, the manufacturer makes slight changes to get around the ban. We have looked at this is so many different ways, and we wanted to make sure it was {ENFORCABLE}.
  15. dc.fireman

    dc.fireman Well-Known Member

  16. bk42261

    bk42261 Well-Known Member

    Should be fine, though, because he's (not kidding) looking to the federalist papers to see if drones are okay.
    I sh** you not.
  17. Bartholomew Roberts

    Bartholomew Roberts Moderator Emeritus

  18. Ryanxia

    Ryanxia Well-Known Member

    Wonderful :rolleyes:
    And he JUST got elected :(
  19. Ash

    Ash Well-Known Member

    I don't know, I'd reserve anger somewhat and this is why:

    7. After a great deal of thought, however, I am not prepared to support the proposed ban on so-called assault weapons — principally because I just don't think it will work. It is important to emphasize that these weapons have exactly the same firing mechanism and functionality as the common semi-automatic hunting rifles owned by thousands of Maine residents. Although their looks may be more menacing, they do not shoot any faster, farther, or with more power than conventional hunting rifles; and contrary to popular belief, they are not fully automatic, with the ability to to spray bullets with one pull of the trigger. In addition, the vast majority of gun crimes — well over 90 percent — involve handguns, not rifles, assault or otherwise.

    This means he's no foe. What we need to do is educate him on magazine length rather than write him off. It seems to me, though I could be wrong, that he just needs a better understanding of the issue. I'd say work with him on that. If he can understand an AK is functionally no different than a Garand (rotating bolt semi-automatic) which is not really any different from a hunting rifle, then he perhaps can better understand magazine size.
  20. Midwest

    Midwest Well-Known Member

    Just be aware that Mr. King allegedly said this....

    "Anyone seeing anyone buying components, any type of BBs or ball bearings -- a large amount of nails, even -- report that to police," he said.

    ( Rep. Pete King (R-N.Y.), a member of both the House Homeland Security Committee and the House Intelligence Committee, wants retailers to tell police about people who buy innocuous items that could be used to make a bomb.)



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