Response to Ebay banning gun related items

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Here's part of what I sent via email (I'm excising some of what I wrote that would identify who I am):
That you would punish what are probably thousands of decent, law abiding, people, for the act of one deranged person shows a mind of incredibly shrinking proportions. What were you thinking? Do you really believe that this action makes anyone safer? If you do, if you really do, then you seriously naive.

No, what I think this is about is either fear of litigation, or an attempt to disassociate Ebay from a group of law abiding Americans whose culture you abhor. In either case, your action is despicable, because it is dishonest. I would be just as angry had you said "The VT incident has made us aware of how many people buy and sell firearms related materials on Ebay. While legal, we are opposed to the gun culture in this country and have decided that we will not allow Ebay to be used by these people." I'd be angry, but I would appreciate your honesty.

It is a free country, and you are free to to embrace whatever policies you wish regarding firearms, just as I am free to take my business elsewhere.
 
Posted this on the other thread...

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....Got a response from eBay... they CALLED.

Think the poor girl read from the same script the folks emailing are doing, but at least I found out the change will take effect on August 12th, and as of the 13th they will start pulling auctions.
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As well, sent the same email from my personal account, wife's personal account, in-laws personal accounts, and the above ones are closed (ebay & paypal - never trusted paypal anyways)
 
Its their business and they can do whatever they want with it. If you have a problem buy a few shares and show up at the annual meeting.
 
I'll send an email telling them that not only am I personally not going to use their services anymore, I'm going to steer every corporate client I get who wants to set up an e-commerce presence to their competition as well.
 
How agout getting Mr Halpins phone number and we all start a phone campaign??
If he's so worried about parts that fire a gun have them simply not allow the sale of firing pins!!!!!
 
EBay's position may well be one of trying to limit their exopsure to litigation over such items if that is the case then "if you can't stand the heat stay out of the kitchen"!!! If they are not willing to assume the risk of litigatgion OR if they are doing it out of a misguided sense of morality it is time for them to get out of business all together. In either case a VERY small fraction of the stuff they sell will be used for no good and there will always be the risk of legal problems - that's a part of life and it happens. This may however be an opportunity for someone like Gunowners of America or another pro-gun organization to start an auction service and use the proceeds to support the 2nd ammendment. Maybe even proceed to general merchandise like Ebay to an extent that in 10 years some one asks about Ebay the reply will be Ewho??
 
Here's what I got today:

Dear [Fletcher],

Thank you for your recent email to Matt Halprin in regard to changes to
our Firearms, Weapons and Knives policy. He has asked that I review your
email and respond on his behalf.

As you are aware, our executives and our Trust and Safety team
determined that any item required to fire a gun has no place on eBay.
This policy will come into effect in mid-August.

I understand that you might disagree with the details of certain eBay
guidelines. eBay values your opinion, and we would be happy to hear any
suggestions you have.

To make a suggestion, simply follow these steps:

1. Go to:

http://pages.ebay.com/help/newtoebay/suggest.html

2. Click the "Send us your suggestion to improve the eBay site" link.
You may be asked to sign in.
3. Write your message explaining your suggestion and then click the
"Send" button.

Once you've sent in your suggestion, we will send it to the appropriate
personnel for review. We appreciate the time you've taken to write to us
and your contribution to eBay.

I understand your frustration regarding this matter and apologize for
the inconvenience it caused you.

Sincerely,

Terri
Office of the President

I told them if I received a form letter that resembled the one everyone else got (pasted form response), I would cancel my account. They sent me another one :p

So... following what was mentioned in their response, here's what I submitted through their online recommendation thinger:

I would like to voice my concern over your change in policy concerning firearm components. The justifications provided for this change center around safety, which does not seem very logical for this online community.

Components alone are no cause for alarm, can not injure anyone, and are (as mentioned by eBay) not illegal. Replacement parts and accessories for firearms can be traded by any retail or online store, for they are perfectly legal, and there is an enormous market for them. It strikes me as odd that a leader in business such as eBay would choose to close markets.

It is very unwise from a business standpoint to push away many thousands of users, millions of auctions, and their corresponding revenue for the sake of political correctness.

I sincerely hope you reconsider this policy,
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Fletcher
 
Probably won't cancel my eBay account, but I'm definitely going to be spending a lot more time on Gunbroker.
 
Come on, CANCEL! It's the only way to spank them over this. It tells them people aren't just mad, they're mad enough to terminate memberships, which on ebay means losing your feedback rating. A complaint is easy to write, but ending a long membership isn't. And that's exactly why we should all do it.
 
I also sent an email, and got a canned response like everyone else. I will close my account, and my paypal account, like I told them.

I will miss getting rare & obscure LP records (the vinyl things) though. If I browse ebay in the future, and find something I have to have, I guess I'll get a friend to bid on it for me...
 
Are there any equivalent sites to Ebay? Isn't it strange that you can buy all the archery equipment you want on Ebay and they don't seem to want to ban that?
 
I still haven't received a response from them. Perhaps this is because they have received so much feedback? Just a thought.
 
Looks Like eBay has a "NEW" canned letter

Here is what I received:

Thank you for your recent email to Matt Halprin in regard to changes to
our Firearms, Weapons and Knives policy. He has asked that I review your email and respond on his behalf.

As you are aware, our executives and our Trust and Safety team
determined that any item required to fire a gun has no place on eBay.
This policy will take effect in mid-August.

I understand that you might disagree with the details of certain eBay
guidelines. eBay values your opinion, and we would be happy to hear any
suggestions you have.

To make a suggestion, simply follow these steps:

1. Go to:

http://pages.ebay.com/help/newtoebay/suggest.html

2. Click the "Send us your suggestion to improve the eBay site" link.
You may be asked to sign in.
3. Write your message explaining your suggestion and then click the
"Send" button.

Once you've sent in your suggestion, we will send it to the appropriate
personnel for review. We appreciate the time you've taken to write to us and your contribution to eBay.

I understand your frustration regarding this matter and apologize for
the inconvenience it caused you.

Sincerely,

Terri
Office of the President


Sure looks familiar
 
I canceled my account, e-mailed the "Department of Trust & Safety"(ha), and received the same canned reply. Maybe they didn't like my tone. I wasn't very High Road with them. Screw 'em.
 
Email sent. Included the quote from "ky_man's" signature, for good measure. :)
 
Matt Halprin is merely a big-titled go-fer. I say start writing those that matter at eBay starting with the Board of Directors as well as complaining to Investor Relations. Here are the bio's of the board members taken from eBay's Investor Relations:

Directors Continuing in Office Until the 2007 Annual Meeting
Philippe Bourguignon has served as a director of eBay since December 1999. Mr. Bourguignon has been Vice Chairman of Revolution Resorts, a division of Revolution LLC, a company focused on health, living, and resort investments and operations, since January 2006. From April 2004 to January 2006, Mr. Bourguignon served as Chairman of Aegis Media France, a media communications and market research company. From September 2003 to March 2004, Mr. Bourguignon was Co-Chief Executive Officer of The World Economic Forum (The DAVOS Forum). From August 2003 to October 2003, Mr. Bourguignon served as Managing Director of The World Economic Forum. From April 1997 to January 2003, Mr. Bourguignon served as Chairman of the Board of Club Méditerranée S.A., a resort operator. Prior to his appointment at Club Méditerranée S.A., Mr. Bourguignon was Chief Executive Officer of Euro Disney S.A., the parent company of Disneyland Paris, since 1993, and Executive Vice President of The Walt Disney Company (Europe) S.A., since October 1996. Mr. Bourguignon was named President of Euro Disney in 1992, a post he held through April 1993. He joined The Walt Disney Company in 1988 as head of Real Estate development. Mr. Bourguignon holds a Masters Degree in Economics at the University of Aix-en-Provence and holds a post-graduate diploma from the Institut d'Administration des Enterprises (IAE) in Paris.

Thomas J. Tierney has served as a director of eBay since March 2003. Mr. Tierney is the founder of The Bridgespan Group, a non-profit consulting firm serving the non-profit sector, and has been its Chairman of the Board since late 1999. Prior to founding Bridgespan, Mr. Tierney served as Chief Executive Officer of Bain & Company, a consulting firm, from June 1992 to January 2000. Mr. Tierney holds a B.A. degree in Economics from the University of California at Davis and an M.B.A. degree with distinction from the Harvard Business School. Mr. Tierney is the co-author of a book about organization and strategy called Aligning the Stars.

Margaret C. Whitman serves eBay as President and Chief Executive Officer. She has served in that capacity since February 1998 and as a director since March 1998. From January 1997 to February 1998, she was General Manager of the Preschool Division of Hasbro Inc., a toy company. From February 1995 to December 1996, Ms. Whitman was employed by FTD, Inc., a floral products company, most recently as President, Chief Executive Officer and a director. From October 1992 to February 1995, Ms. Whitman was employed by The Stride Rite Corporation, a footwear company, in various capacities, including President, Stride Rite Children's Group and Executive Vice President, Product Development, Marketing & Merchandising, Keds Division. From May 1989 to October 1992, Ms. Whitman was employed by The Walt Disney Company, an entertainment company, most recently as Senior Vice President, Marketing, Disney Consumer Products. Before joining Disney, Ms. Whitman was at Bain & Co., a consulting firm, most recently as a Vice President. Ms. Whitman also serves on the board of directors of The Procter & Gamble Company and DreamWorks Animation SKG, Inc. Ms. Whitman holds an A.B. degree in Economics from Princeton University and an M.B.A. degree from the Harvard Business School.

Side note here - Meg is reputed to be a big backer of Mitt Romney. Time to tell Mitt how he can earn his spurs with the gun rights community.

Directors Continuing in Office Until the 2008 Annual Meeting
Fred D. Anderson has served as a director of eBay since July 2003. Mr. Anderson has been a Managing Director of Elevation Partners, a private equity firm focused on the media and entertainment industry, since July 2004. From March 1996 to June 2004, Mr. Anderson served as Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer of Apple Computer, Inc., a manufacturer of personal computers and related software. Prior to joining Apple, Mr. Anderson was Corporate Vice President and Chief Financial Officer of Automatic Data Processing, Inc., an electronic transaction processing firm, from August 1992 to March 1996. Mr. Anderson also serves on the board of directors of Homestore, Inc. Mr. Anderson holds a B.A. degree from Whittier College and an M.B.A. from the University of California, Los Angeles.

Edward W. Barnholt has served as a director of eBay since April 2005. Mr. Barnholt served as President and Chief Executive Officer of Agilent Technologies, Inc., a measurement company, from May 1999 until March 2005, and served as Chairman of the Board of Agilent from November 2002 until March 2005. Before being named Agilent's Chief Executive Officer, Mr. Barnholt served as Executive Vice President and General Manager of Hewlett-Packard Company's Measurement Organization from 1998 to 1999. From 1990 to 1998, he served as General Manager of Hewlett-Packard Company's Test and Measurement Organization. He was elected a Senior Vice President of Hewlett-Packard Company in 1993 and an Executive Vice President in 1996. Mr. Barnholt also serves on the board of directors of KLA-Tencor Corporation and Adobe Systems Incorporated and is a member of the Board of Trustees of the Packard Foundation. Mr. Barnholt holds a bachelor's degree and a master's degree in electrical engineering from Stanford University.

Scott D. Cook has served as a director of eBay since June 1998. Mr. Cook is the founder of Intuit Inc., a financial software developer. Mr. Cook has been a director of Intuit since March 1984 and is currently Chairman of the Executive Committee of the Board of Intuit. From March 1993 to July 1998, Mr. Cook served as Chairman of the Board of Intuit. From March 1984 to April 1994, Mr. Cook served as President and Chief Executive Officer of Intuit. Mr. Cook also serves on the board of directors of The Procter & Gamble Company. Mr. Cook holds a B.A. degree in Economics and Mathematics from the University of Southern California and an M.B.A. degree from the Harvard Business School.

Maybe it is time to stop using TurboTax and switch to one of the competing products.

Robert C. Kagle has served as a director of eBay since June 1997. Mr. Kagle has been a Member of Benchmark Capital, the General Partner of Benchmark Capital Partners, L.P. and Benchmark Founders' Fund, L.P., since its founding in May 1995. Mr. Kagle also has been a General Partner of Technology Venture Investors since January 1984. Mr. Kagle also serves on the board of directors of ZipRealty, Inc. Mr. Kagle holds a B.S. degree in Electrical and Mechanical Engineering from the General Motors Institute (renamed Kettering University in January 1998) and an M.B.A. degree from the Stanford Graduate School of Business.


Directors Continuing in Office Until the 2009 Annual Meeting
William C. Ford, Jr. has served as a director of eBay since July 2005. Mr. Ford has served as Chief Executive Officer of Ford Motor Company, a company that engages in the manufacture and distribution of automobiles, since October 2001 and has served as Chairman of the Board of Ford since September 1998. Mr. Ford also serves as Chairman of Ford's Environmental and Public Policy Committee and as a member of Ford's Finance Committee. Mr. Ford has held a number of management positions at Ford since 1979. Mr. Ford serves as Vice Chairman of The Detroit Lions, Inc. and Chairman of the Board of Trustees of The Henry Ford. He is also a Vice Chairman of Detroit Renaissance. Mr. Ford holds a B.A. degree from Princeton University and a master of science degree in management from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT).

Dawn G. Lepore has served as a director of eBay since December 1999. Ms. Lepore has served as Chief Executive Officer and Chairman of the Board of drugstore.com, inc., a leading online provider of health, beauty, vision, and pharmacy solutions, since October 2004. From August 2003 to October 2004, Ms. Lepore served as Vice Chairman of Technology, Active Trader, Operations, Business Strategy, and Administration for the Charles Schwab Corporation and Charles Schwab & Co, Inc., a financial holding company. Prior to this appointment, she held various positions with the Charles Schwab Corporation including: Vice Chairman of Technology, Operations, Business Strategy, and Administration from May 2003 to August 2003; Vice Chairman of Technology, Operations, and Administration from March 2002 to May 2003; Vice Chairman of Technology and Administration from November 2001 to March 2002; and Vice Chairman and Chief Information Officer from July 1999 to November 2001. Ms. Lepore holds a B.A. degree from Smith College.

Pierre M. Omidyar founded eBay as a sole proprietorship in September 1995. He has been a director and Chairman of the Board since eBay's incorporation in May 1996 and also served as its Chief Executive Officer, Chief Financial Officer, and President from inception to February 1998, November 1997 and August 1996, respectively. Prior to founding eBay, Mr. Omidyar was a developer services engineer at General Magic, a mobile communications platform company, from December 1994 to July 1996. Mr. Omidyar co-founded Ink Development Corp. (later renamed eShop) in May 1991 and served as a software engineer there from May 1991 to September 1994. Prior to co-founding Ink, Mr. Omidyar was a developer for Claris, a subsidiary for Apple Computer, and for other Macintosh-oriented software development companies. Mr. Omidyar is currently Chairman and CEO of Omidyar Network, a mission-based investment group committed to fostering individual self-empowerment on a global scale. He also serves on the Board of Trustees of Tufts University and the Santa Fe Institute, and as a director of Meetup Inc. Mr. Omidyar holds a B.S. degree in Computer Science from Tufts University.

Richard T. Schlosberg, III has served as a director of eBay since March 2004. From May 1999 to January 2004, Mr. Schlosberg served as President and Chief Executive Officer of the David & Lucile Packard Foundation, a private family foundation. Prior to joining the foundation, Mr. Schlosberg was Executive Vice President of The Times Mirror Company and publisher and Chief Executive Officer of the Los Angeles Times. Prior to that, he served in the same role at the Denver Post. Mr. Schlosberg serves on the board of directors of Edison International, BEA Systems, Inc, and is also a national board member of the Smithsonian Institution, a member of the USO World Board of Governors, and a trustee of Pomona College. Mr. Schlosberg is a graduate of the United States Air Force Academy and holds an M.B.A. degree from the Harvard Business School.


The prinicipal executive offices are at 2145 Hamilton Avenue
San Jose, CA 95125


John in WNC
 
We were going to open e-Bay and Pay Pal accounts, but did not due to these changes. Should we still send the e-mail advising them of our decision or will it carry no weight because we never actually had an account?

Doc2005
 
I have closed both of my accounts with eBay and sent the following e-mail to Matt Halprin.

Dear Mr. Halprin,

I was very disappointed to hear that eBay has decided to ban almost all items related to guns. I have closed both of my accounts with eBay because of this decision. For the record, one account was under the ID: xxxxxxxx with a 100% positive feedback of 25 and my other account was under the ID: xxxxxxxx with a 100% positive feedback of 20.

I believe, sir, that I would have respected both you and eBay much more if you would have just told us that you were anti-gun and were making these decisions due to that belief. I would still have been upset, closed my accounts, but would have accepted your decision much easier.

I can only hope that you are never faced with a home invasion nor a confrontation with some criminal who wants to take your life. I suppose if you were you would dial 911, which is nothing more than government sponsored "dial-a-prayer", and while you are waiting those 10 minutes or more for the cops to arrive, and if you survive, you just might be wishing you had a firearm for personal defense.

Fortunately, I do not own any eBay stock at this time. If I had, I would have dumped it immediately and probably at a loss. In the future, I will consider selling your stock short and definitely making a profit.



I doubt that anyone at eBay will read this but it sure made me feel better to write it. Hopefully eBay will notice an increase in account closures. :)
 
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Has someone detailed either how 1) many millions or 2) what percentage of Americans own firearms? By doing so, one would be invoking the numeric facts of gun owners, either as X millions or X% of American who disagree with their decision by virtue of their firearms ownership. The company’s “leadership” has merely listened to the numeric minority...a financially imprudent decision, or fallen back on its own bias against firearms.
 
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