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Rudy Giuliani vs. Hillary Clinton .. Next President & Gun Control

Discussion in 'Legal' started by Gary H, Aug 3, 2005.

  1. Gary H

    Gary H Participating Member

    Dec 25, 2002
    Rudy is much more liberal than I, but realistically.. which one would you prefer? Hillary has the big bucks and a great deal of political savvy. Recent polls report that the public is beginning to buy her move to the right. The Republicans haven't run a conservative since the great one. So, they will run a Republicrat once again.

    Take a look at this poll.. Rudy, John & Hillary .. I see McCain as a VP for Hillary.. but none the less.. here is the poll..

    Gallup Poll H/R/J


    I do not think the government should cut off the right to bear arms. My position for many years has been that just as a motorist must have a license, a gun owner should be required to have one as well. Anyone wanting to own a gun should have to pass a written exam that shows that they know how to use a gun, that they’re intelligent enough and responsible enough to handle a gun. Should both handgun and rifle owners be licensed...we’re talking about all dangerous weapons.
    Source: Boston Globe, p. A4 Mar 21, 2000


    Keep guns away from people who shouldn’t have them
    We need to stand firm on behalf of sensible gun control legislation. We have to enact laws that will keep guns out of the hand of children and criminals and mentally unbalanced persons. Congress should have acted before our children started going back to school. I realize the NRA is a formidable political group; but I believe the American people are ready to come together as a nation and do whatever it takes to keep guns away from people who shouldn’t have them.
    Source: www.hillary2000.org, “Gun Safety” Sep 9, 2000

    Limit access to weapons; look for early warning signs
    We have to make sure that our schools are safe. Our schools need more help from parents and from communities, and we also need more social workers and counselors who are trained to see the early warning signs. No school security system or metal detector can keep out the culture of violence that dominates the lives of so many of our children. We have to address issues of culture, and we have to ensure that young people do not have easy access to weapons; not only firearms but bomb making material.
    Source: www.hillary2000.org, “Safe Schools” Sep 9, 2000

    License and register all handgun sales
    Hillary Rodham Clinton offered her support for a legislative proposal to license hand guns. The legislation, sponsored by Sen. Charles Schumer, would require anyone who wants to purchase a gun to obtain a state-issued photo gun license. “I stand in support of this common sense legislation to license everyone who wishes to purchase a gun,” Clinton said. “I also believe that every new handgun sale or transfer should be registered in a national registry, such as Chuck is proposing.”
    Source: CNN.com Jun 2, 2000

    Tough gun control keeps guns out of wrong hands
    I think it does once again urge us to think hard about what we can do to make sure that we keep guns out of the hands of children and criminals and mentally unbalanced people. I hope we will come together as a nation and do whatever it takes to keep guns away from people who have no business with them.
    Source: Press Release Jul 31, 1999

    Gun control protects our children
    We will not make progress on a sensible gun control agenda unless the entire American public gets behind it. It is really important for each of you [kids] to make sure you stay away from guns. If you have guns in your home, tell your parents to keep them away from you and your friends and your little brothers and sisters.
    Source: Forum at South Side Middle School in Nassau County Jul 15, 1999

    Don’t water down sensible gun control legislation
    We have to do everything possible to keep guns out of the hands of children, and we need to stand firm on behalf of the sensible gun control legislation that passed the Senate and then was watered down in the House. It does not make sense for us at this point in our history to turn our backs on the reality that there are too many guns and too many children have access to those guns-and we have to act to prevent that.
    Source: Remarks to NEA in Orlando, Florida Jul 5, 1999

    Lock up guns; store ammo separately
    If you own a gun... make sure it’s locked up and stored without the ammunition. In fact, make it stored where the ammunition is stored separately. We’ve made some progress in the last several years with the Brady Bill and some of the bans on assault weapons, but we have a lot of work to do.
    Source: ABC’s “Good Morning America” Jun 4, 1999

    Ban kids’ unsupervised access to guns
    Q: What actions can students take to help gun control further? A: Young people, especially teenagers, [should pledge] to not give any child unsupervised access to a firearm; not to go into homes, or let your younger siblings go into homes where you know guns are and are not safely stored and taken care of. You guys are going to a party, make sure there are no guns around. If you own a gun or you know people who do, make sure it’s locked up and stored without the ammunition.
    Source: ABC’s “Good Morning America” Jun 4, 1999

    Voted NO on banning lawsuits against gun manufacturers for gun violence.
    Vote to pass a bill that would block certain civil lawsuits against manufacturers, distributors, dealers and importers of firearms and ammunition, mainly those lawsuits aimed at making them liable for gun violence. In this bill, trade groups would also be protected The bill would call for the dismissal of pending lawsuits against the gun industry. The exception would be lawsuits regarding a defect in a weapon or ammunition. It also would provide a 10-year reauthorization of the assault weapons ban which is set to expire in September 2004. The bill would increase the penalties for gun-related violent or drug trafficking crimes which have not resulted in death, to a minimum of 15 years imprisonment. The bill calls for criminal background checks on all firearm transactions at gun shows where at least 75 guns are sold. Exemptions would be made available for dealers selling guns from their homes as well as members-only gun swaps and meets carried out by nonprofit hunting clubs.
    Reference: Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act; Bill S.1805/H.R.1036 ; vote number 2004-30 on Mar 2, 200

    Source for Above Quotes
  2. Rebar

    Rebar member

    Feb 20, 2003
    A NorthEastern RINO like Giuliani will never win the republican primary. He'd be a lot better off running for Hillary's senate seat next year.

    McCain, he's dead to the republican party faithful, he'd have a better chance winning the democratic primary.
  3. sumpnz

    sumpnz Senior Member

    Jan 29, 2004
    Sedro-Woolley, WA
    Fortunately America isn't dumb enough to elect that Hillary creature.
  4. HankB

    HankB Mentor

    Mar 29, 2003
    Central Texas
    Here's a thought . . . if the GOP maintained control (such as it is) of the Congress, is it conceivable that Hillary might actually be better for us than a left-leaning RINO like Rudy?

    Don't get me wrong, the thought of another "President Clinton" makes me ill on a number of levels, but it seems that the only time congressional Republicans actually try to act like Republicans is when there's a democRAT in the White House.

    I mean, if a President Giuliani called for additional gun laws, would a GOP congress even consider saying "No?"
  5. Rebar

    Rebar member

    Feb 20, 2003
    No. She'll just issue executive orders to really screw us, over the heads of the congress.

    Make no mistake, the liberal/left, who once thought us kooks, are going to punish us for making them lose the last two elections. If they ever get power, they will gut the RBKA culture. That includes getting power in the judicial, executive, and/or legislative branches.
  6. Rockstar

    Rockstar member

    Apr 25, 2004
    If I HAD to choose between Hitlery and Rudy, I'd go with Rudy. Rudy's a product of a culture that's foreign to those of us fortunate enough to have been born and raised in the generally-unadulterated U.S. (ergo, his feelings/positions on gun control) Hitlery, on the other hand, is evil incarnate. She has no benchmark for morality. She'd make the absolutely worst appointments one might imagine; she'd surround herself with the fringe left of the DimwitoCRAT party; all the U.S. Attorneys would once-again be lesbians.

    Hitlery will probably get the DimwitoCRAT nomination; Rudy won't be the Republican nominee.
  7. RavenVT100

    RavenVT100 Participating Member

    Aug 18, 2004
    Hillary Clinton is a socialist, period.
  8. Mongo the Mutterer

    Mongo the Mutterer Participating Member

    Apr 28, 2005
    St. Louis

    Also, the leftist will use the UN or the EU as an excuse to get us. They will bring up globalism. Their ideal is for us to be ruled by unelected bureaucrats and unelected judges where we have no recourse, such as the vote. Buy Ammo. Lots of Ammo. :cuss:
  9. petrel800

    petrel800 Member

    Aug 27, 2004
    I for one think this leftist organization (Gallup) is putting up who they would like to see. Both of their republican canidates are boarder line liberals. Both are also very media friendly (neither McCain nor Gulliani have ever turned down a chance to be on TV).

    Personally, I wouldn't vote for either of those clowns.

    I will also point out that Newt Gingrich has been showing his face quite a bit lately. Is he considering a run?
  10. K-Romulus

    K-Romulus Participating Member

    Dec 31, 2003
    Somewhere in Monkey County, MD
    Mayor Rudy

    fully suports the NYC licensing system and "assault rifle" confiscation (yes, confiscation).

    The NYC system has you paying $300 for a three-year license to own a pistol in your own home :what:
    but 6 months to 1 year is eaten up just getting the license issued . . .

    Edited to add:

    And the NYC system only allows you to own FIVE firearms, period. . .
  11. Janitor

    Janitor Senior Member

    Dec 26, 2002
    I have NEVER agreed with a word that woman has said, of course, I don't know what kind of names she's called Bill - may agree with some of that. Anyway - in spite of the fact I never agree with her, I've always thought she was well educated, and sounded fairly bright though a bit misguided. (a "bit"? Hehehe - ok. I'm a hopelessly nice guy)

    But then, I read something like this:

    Huh (while rubbing eyes to see if that helps focus)?

    Either that word ("wrong") was a typo, or I have given this person FAR more credit for brain cell count than I should have. Unless what she means is that gun control doesn't work, and that it targets the wrong segment of our society? Yea ... I'm sure that's what she meant.

  12. boofus

    boofus Guest

    Yay, we get to choose between Atilla the Hun or Vlad the Impaler. :mad:
  13. Henry Bowman

    Henry Bowman Senior Member

    Dec 30, 2002
    Cincinnati, Ohio
    A good argument could be made for it. We might be able to survive 4 years of it.
  14. javafiend

    javafiend member

    Apr 27, 2005
    Oh, the horror of it all!

    Lesbian lawyers!

    <runs from the room screaming>
  15. Spot77

    Spot77 Senior Member

    Apr 1, 2003
    It's just not the same unless Standing Wolf says it. :(
  16. 1 old 0311

    1 old 0311 member

    Jun 26, 2005
    Planet Earth
    Hillary has more positions than Jenna Jameson..............sadly she is built like a bottle of Jamesons. :neener: :neener:
    Thankfully her unfavorable ratings have always been anong the highest of anyone in office.

  17. The Real Hawkeye

    The Real Hawkeye member

    Jan 31, 2004
    Florida, CSA
    That would be a definite third party vote for me. Since I started voting for presidents back in 1980, half the time I vote Republican and half the time I vote either libertarian or US Constitution Party. It depends on if I am able to hold my nose sufficiently to pull the lever for the Republican. In the case you describe, I definitely would not be able to hold my nose and pull the lever for the Republican.
  18. Silver Bullet

    Silver Bullet Participating Member

    Dec 24, 2002
    1) No way; what happens when she gets to nominate a Supreme Court Justice ?

    2) Also, if the general public doesn't perceive that she is screwing up, I think they will be more likely to vote in more Democrats to Congress and the Senate.

    3) What happens in 2010 if the Democrats take back Congress and the Senate ? She'll still be in office until 2012.
  19. Justin

    Justin Moderator Staff Member

    Dec 29, 2002
    Guliani vs. Clinton would be a sure recipe for me to vote libertarian.
  20. jefnvk

    jefnvk Senior Member

    Jun 3, 2004
    The Copper Country, Michigan
    Me too. Although, I still think Clinton would end up with the win.

    Remember, radicals win the primaries, moderated win the election. Don't think that Guiliani would make it through. I have my doubts that Clinton would make it through, there is probably plenty lying around to use against her.

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