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Ruger g.s. Scout rifle.

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by krupparms, Mar 11, 2013.

  1. Andrew Wyatt

    Andrew Wyatt Well-Known Member

    You're misinformed. The rifle uses the magazines it does, because those magazines are as close to ubiquitous as a detachable bolt action rifle magazine gets, and they were designed for use on a bolt action rifle, by accuracy international for use on their R700 chassis.
  2. natman

    natman Well-Known Member

    It appears you don't understand the concept of "handiness" and why weight you carry in your hand is a lot more important than weight you carry in your pack.

    I own a 6.2 lb 308 and have no problem with the recoil. Perhaps you should go to the gym....:)

    Your perfectly free to disagree with what Jeff Cooper said. I only take exception to those who misstate what he said.
  3. natman

    natman Well-Known Member

    I'm pretty sure the GSR resembles an M14 and I don't think it's a coincidence:

  4. chicharrones

    chicharrones Well-Known Member

    C'mon now. Ruger already has a replica of the M14, which we all know is a Mini. ;)

    What is unspoken, is that the Ruger GSR is really the lovechild of the Jungle Carbine and a short barreled sniper rifle, like a Steyr. The original issue mags that come with the Ruger GSR just got too much Viagra, that's all.

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  5. Andrew Wyatt

    Andrew Wyatt Well-Known Member

    so, you're saying the ruger design team sourced non proprietary AICS magazines, not because they actually work, but because they make the rifle look more like an m-14.
  6. Averageman

    Averageman Well-Known Member

    You're misinformed. The rifle uses the magazines it does, because those magazines are as close to ubiquitous as a detachable bolt action rifle magazine gets, and they were designed for use on a bolt action rifle, by accuracy international for use on their R700 chassis.

    So some of you would consider these magazines as "Off the Shelf " and not proprietary?
    Can you buy them now from either Accuracy International or Ruger?
    The point I am making here as they made a choice and from the stuff I have seen your magazines are going to cost you in the $80.00 and up neighborhood.
    I'm just saying that Ruger has went a very long way to find a magazine that works in a rifle they designed.
    Now did they design the rifle around the magazine or the magzine around the rifle?
  7. Andrew Wyatt

    Andrew Wyatt Well-Known Member

    the magazine was designed to run in bolt action rifles that weren't designed from the beginning to have detachable magazines, like the remington 700 and the ruger m77.

    the GSR action is fundamentally unchanged from its parent rifle, the ruger m77.

    ruger had no design input on the magazine, AI just did a good job designing the magazine to work.
  8. nipprdog

    nipprdog Well-Known Member

  9. Art Eatman

    Art Eatman Administrator Staff Member

    I shot one. Good rifle. But I wouldn't call it a scout rifle except that's the label for it. :) I think it would make a good truck gun, particularly if a shorter mag was used. And, not bad at all for a basic hunting rifle.
  10. Texan Scott

    Texan Scott Well-Known Member

    I want a Scout variant of the 77/44. I know it's not the Colonel's "vision", but it would make the sweetest little Hill Country deer and pig rifle!

    How 'bout it Ruger?
  11. BruceB

    BruceB Well-Known Member

    The main issue, it seems to me, is the question of "short, light, and handy."

    "Short" and "light" are quantifiable in inches and pounds/ounces. With my GSR beside other rifles in one of my racks, it's almighty close to being as short as my M1 Carbine and Mini-14. For weight, it is certainly lighter than any of my 'conventional' sporters, and much lighter than any other 7.62 NATO "service rifle".

    So, we are left with what is, or is not, "handy". This is a purely subjective, personal opinion....and for MY purposes I find the GSR to be very handy indeed. Due to vision difficulties, I mounted a Redfield/Leupold 3-9X sight on the receiver...and I STILL find it short, light...and handy.

    So what if it "looks like an M-14"? It also looks like the pictured #5 Mk 1 Enfield...again, so what? The Enfield pre-dates the Ruger rifle by 60 years or so, and even then it was doing much the same jobs. I'm morally certain that I saved myself from an early death or serious injury with a Jungle Carbine, and I have a very high regard for the type. A GSR in my hands would have done just as well.

    Let me throw out another cliche' here....could the GSR be the semi-mythical 'Truck Rifle' that's so often discussed? The #5 Enfield served me well in that role in bear/moose country, and the detachable magazine on the GSR goes a long way toward qualifying the "short, light, handy" GSR for truck service. I've even used a full-length M-14 in the truck, and didn't find it cumbersome. It was a great comfort in a certain potentially-deadly confrontation, and I had no difficulty 'unlimbering' the beast when it was needed.

    Just don't lose track of the detached magazine in the vehicle! Game laws generally forbid loaded rifles in vehicles, so the detachable mags are a rather important feature.
  12. baz

    baz Well-Known Member

    Cut that in half, and say $40 and up. I recently bought four from Ruger for $39.95 each, and two from Alpha Industries for $62 each. So you are definitely overreaching in your attempt to paint the mags as costly. Of course, those prices look high compared to prices for AR or AK mags, but the volume of the latter makes it possible for them to be sold at lower costs. And, given that this is a bolt action, not a semi-auto, folks are not going to feel the need to have as many per rifle. I've got all I need now, and that's half the number I would typically want with a semi-auto. In the end, I'd likely spend as much for mags for a semi-auto as I've spent on mags for the Ruger.
  13. HOOfan_1

    HOOfan_1 Well-Known Member

    Bingo....I have yet to find a quantifiable scientific scale which measures "handiness". So saying the GSR isn't "handy" is like arguing about whether Kate Upton is hot or not.
    Last edited: Mar 15, 2013
  14. breakingcontact

    breakingcontact Well-Known Member

    This seems to be such a polarizing rifle. I like the idea of it, like how it felt, but haven't shot one or humped one around the woods all day.
  15. chicharrones

    chicharrones Well-Known Member

    It's been that way since the first photos and specs had been released a couple years ago. All because of two small words marked on the receiver and stock, plus the marketing behind it.

    Too bad really, because I think the Ruger GSR is an awesome bolt gun.

    Mossberg must feel like getting on that small money train too, since they have detachable mag bolt guns out now. If the MVP Patrol had the stock of the MVP Predator, it sure would look dang near identical to the Ruger GSR.
  16. natman

    natman Well-Known Member

    Exactly. I'm glad somebody gets it. It's not a bad rifle, it's just not Jeff Cooper's idea of a Scout rifle. The only problem really is that it was misnamed.

    I agree that it would make an excellent truck rifle. The weight would be a recoil reducing bonus instead of a burden in that application, the detachable mag is a big plus and the rugged stock and iron sights would be perfect.

    Just a question of horses for courses.
  17. colnago58

    colnago58 New Member

    Cooper wasn't all that thrilled with the Ruger Frontier, I doubt he would like the Ruger Gunsite Scout Rifle

    Look at the barrel and stock of a Ruger, and look at the barrel and stock of a Steyr Scout, there is the difference in weight and cost.

    For those who own and like the Ruger, more power to you, but I will keep my Steyr.
  18. chicharrones

    chicharrones Well-Known Member

    You got that right. While the Ruger is at the top of my price range, the Steyr is downright unobtanium for my willingness to part with my money.
  19. TexAg

    TexAg Well-Known Member

    I'm curious how the barrel heating up effects accuracy on the Steyr versus the Ruger.
  20. MK11

    MK11 Well-Known Member

    Why would anyone care if it meets the official parameters of an outdated concept?

    Need a relatively light, handy, powerful bolt for hunting or politically acceptable self-defense? Get it. I'm thinking hard about getting one for just this.

    Not light enough, accurate enough or handy enough for your intended purpose? Don't get it.

    Col. Cooper was an obvious giant in the field but his lasting contributions are his work on the software, not the hardware.

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