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S.649 Live Debate Thread - CSPAN2

Discussion in 'Legal' started by Bartholomew Roberts, Apr 11, 2013.

  1. Old Fuff

    Old Fuff Active Member

    All this vote will do is move the bills to the floor for more debate and possible amendments. The bills in question may not end up looking anything like they do now (which could be good or bad depending how things go, and it could go on for weeks). Also it is highly improbable that all those who voted today to block a filibuster will also vote to support the present bills.

    Then a final vote may or may not be filibustered. If or when it is blocked the final vote will be taken. If it isn't blocked all of the bills will fail.

    If the bills survive they will go on the the House of Representatives, and a whole different environment.

    We are not yet past the middle of this war.
  2. salvador31c

    salvador31c New Member

    Filibusters and Cloture in the Senate


    If you'd liked to read up on procedure. I don't envision a waiving of those 30 hours or consideration/debate from certain senators.

  3. GlockFan

    GlockFan New Member

    I called Kirk's office (R-IL) and it went straight to an automated system. Told him flat out if he sticks with his vote to not count on me for any future endeavors. There is no reason to call Durbin as it is a waste of time. He is a ring leader of this sort of legislation.
  4. Bartholomew Roberts

    Bartholomew Roberts Moderator Emeritus

    Yes, he said Toomey and Manchin have a lot of work to do and it might be Tuesday morning before they get to the amendment but then he said that was no reason why they shouldn't move forward and reiterated that he wants to deal with Toomey-Manchin, AWB, and mag bans first. I'm guessing they'll have to push Toomey-Manchin back... If none of the Senators have the text, how are they going to debate it?
  5. Old Fuff

    Old Fuff Active Member

    The likelihood of a vote blocking an open debate on these bills through a filibuster was questionable at best, even if 100% of the Republicans supported it. On a straight party vote the Democrats have the majority. Now the senators on our side, Republicans and Democrats, will have a chance to muddle the waters and mess up the bills with amendments which may in the end get them voted down on an individual basis, or so bad that they're is no chance of then getting through the House. Is their a risk? Sure, but it's a small one. The filibuster that matters will be the last one, and if it comes to that you will see an entirely different vote. The opportunities you want to exploit are the ones you have the best chance of winning. This wasn't one of them.
  6. Bartholomew Roberts

    Bartholomew Roberts Moderator Emeritus

    Ohio Gun Guy posted the text of S.649, not the Toomey-Manchin amendment.
  7. JFtheGR8

    JFtheGR8 New Member

    Durbin and Kirk don't give a rat's behind about how you or I would like for them to vote. I've been writing to them both for over a year and don't get any response from Kirk at all and form letters from Durbin. All they care about is Chicago politics.

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  8. miller.lyte

    miller.lyte New Member

    I wrote both my senators (Franken and Klobuchar) and told them their "Yea"s have lost my vote. I know Klobuchar doesn't give a hoot; Franken might if he remembers how close his election was, but I will do my part to ensure the both of them see the light in 2014. The light of day as they stand waiting in the unemployment line that is. They make me ashamed to call MN my home state.
  9. Lennyjoe

    Lennyjoe Active Member

    The following is a list of Republican lawmakers who voted to advance the gun legislation in the Senate Thursday:

    New Hampshire Sen. Kelly Ayotte

    Georgia Sen. Saxby Chambliss

    Oklahoma Sen. Tom Coburn

    Maine Sen. Susan Collins

    Arizona Sen. Jeff Flake

    Georgia Sen. Johnny Isakson

    Arizona Sen. John McCain

    Mississippi Sen. Roger Wicker

    North Carolina Sen. Richard Burr

    North Dakota Sen. John Hoeven

    Illinois Sen. Mark Kirk

    South Carolina Sen. Lindsey Graham

    Tennessee Sen. Lamar Alexander

    Tennessee Sen. Bob Corker

    Pennsylvania Sen. Pat Toomey

    Nevada Sen. Dean Heller

    Read more: http://politics.blogs.foxnews.com/2...ections-senate-gun-legislation/#ixzz2QB9kQGn6
  10. RevolvingGarbage

    RevolvingGarbage New Member

    I am of mixed feelings on proceeding with this bill. Obviously, eliminating private sales is out of the question. I will have to go through the text myself to see the particulars of what else is not going to fly.

    They seem to have thrown us a few bones in a few small ways. Obviously they did so to increase the chances of the bill being voted on, but wouldn't it be kind of nice to flush most of the bill, while cherry picking out all the little bonuses? I for one would be happy to be able to show my valid FL CWL in lieu of waiting on an NICS call. The strengthening of FOPA is also a good thing.

    Of course, we could always strike the whole thing down and next year come out with a bill including all of the little perks from this bill..
  11. pillage

    pillage New Member

    Having contacted both my Senators numerous times, I am seriously tired of getting the wishy washy form letters. That being said, I now send all my contacts to them with a couple of short sentences.
    " Dear Senator,
    Being that I have my doubts that my letters actually get read, I will happily vote against all who forward any schemes to infringe on the Second Amendment rights. I will non stop campaign to anyone I come in contact with to do likewise.
    Thank-you for time."

    Sending nice letters only gets bs replies, so I cut to the chase.
  12. breakingcontact

    breakingcontact New Member

    The problem is with mentally unstable people and our mental healthcare system and that is where the solution lies. But its way beyond "gun control". The "doctors" that treat these people often create or unleash these terribly troubled people. The cases where they have tried to notify people that their patients are dangerous, they werent listened to. But the gutless politicians have a hard time admitting that and focusing on that so they go after the firearms and the rights of those who haven't committed any crimes and have zero indication of perpetrating a horrible crime.

    Anything else is just weakening the second amendment. Thanks to those of you who have been updating the proceedings.
  13. pillage

    pillage New Member

    In typical fashion our senate is going after the people who are not the problem. November can't get here fast enough, for me to vote my displeasure.
  14. JRH6856

    JRH6856 New Member

    Getting the bill to the floor for debate may not be good single issue politics, but it is good party politics for both parties. Each party thinks this may be a critical issue in the 2014 elections and either want to get themselves on record or get the opposition on record.

    Each party believes this issue can be leveraged to gain seats in both houses in 2014.

    Parties aside, it is still in our interests to have this die ASAP. Just remember: There are 100 senators and 435 representitives. As individuals, our emails, letters and phone calls can influence 2% of the Senate, but only 0.35% of the House.
  15. Bartholomew Roberts

    Bartholomew Roberts Moderator Emeritus

    Debate resumed but no substance yet. Murphy did another blood dance and now someone is discussing tax reform.
  16. morcey2

    morcey2 Active Member

    It looks like the c-span2 feed is dead. I can get to both cspan1 and cspan3, but not 2.

  17. Bartholomew Roberts

    Bartholomew Roberts Moderator Emeritus

    You aren't missing anything. Just reruns of earlier speeches, mostly anti.
  18. breakingcontact

    breakingcontact New Member

    Before when things were looking grim for freedom we looked to the House to stop things, knowing they may well pass in the Senate. How does House opposition/support look for what the Senate is currently working on?
  19. JRH6856

    JRH6856 New Member

    It is hard to assess since we really don't know what the Senate is currently working on, and what comes out may look totally different than what goes in.

    Boehner said this morning that when something comes out of the Senate, IF something comes out of the Senate, he will send it to the House Judiciary Committee. Most people expect it to die there, but Boehner said he expects the House to act on whatever the Senate sends so that suggests he may force it out of committee and put it to a vote.

    If it goes that far, there is a remote chance that Obama may deal on spending and taxes to get something passed on gun control.
  20. morcey2

    morcey2 Active Member

    I've always thought that one of the main purposes (to the left) of any proposed gun control bill would be to have it die in the House. If it passed the Senate with "bipartisan support," all the better. That would give them a rallying cry for the 2014 election. I still think it would backfire on them, but I'd rather not take that chance.


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