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S&W 642 for deer?

Discussion in 'Hunting' started by ArmedBear, Aug 26, 2009.

  1. ArmedBear

    ArmedBear Well-Known Member

    Last Fall, when I was walking around hunting quail with the top-quality SxS I picked up brand new for 50 bucks per recommendations in the shotgun forum, I saw a deer about 350 yards away. I had a tag, but no rifle.

    So I was thinking, this season I'd put my hammerless J-frame in my pocket in case I saw a deer.

    What ammo would you recommend for a .38 Special J-frame, for shots out to, say, 400 yards? (I know that .38 Special isn't a really powerful round, but I plan to use perfect shot placement, since everyone says that's all that really matters.)

    Also, I'm looking for a scope for my .458 Win Mag for shooting antelope, but I don't want to spend more than 25 dollars, including the bases and rings. Can anyone recommend a really good one, preferably 2-36X, 50mm, AO, but not too heavy, in my price range?

  2. natman

    natman Well-Known Member

    Bear, if you want to pull people's legs, you have to be a bit more subtle about it than proposing to use a 38 snubby at 400 yards. :D
  3. ArmedBear

    ArmedBear Well-Known Member

    If I asked about using a Beretta 92 at 100 yards, could you even tell I was kidding, around here?:uhoh:

    Speaking of which... Say I wanted to go elk hunting with a 16" M4gery and an LCP as backup. How many loaded 30-round magazines should I bring? Do you think 10 is enough?
  4. kmrcstintn

    kmrcstintn Well-Known Member

    yer short barreled, double action only, internal hammered .38 spl +p snub nosed revolver isn't designed to be used for such work, hence your ability to place a shot will be hampered quite a bit; there isn't enough velocity or retained energy to keep a .38 spl bullet on a flat trajectory to reach out to 400 yards, let alone have enough energy for a deep penetrating shot & humane kill on a bigger game animal like that @ 100 yards

    the most I would consider using a .38 spl round for (on deer sized game) is finishing off a wounded deer by placing a shot into the back of the head behind the ears; I would use something that has a flat tip and sharp contoured shoulders (like a 158gr lead semiwadcutter remanufactured load from Mastercast.net)
  5. 3pairs12

    3pairs12 Well-Known Member

    I think Double Tap makes some hunting rounds for that 38 of yours. As for .458 win mag an antelope I just don't know if that is the ideal caliber. At our camp 15 mags is the minimum recomended amount of mags for elk hunting. What optics will you be using on that M4gery? ;)
  6. GodGuns&Guitars

    GodGuns&Guitars Well-Known Member

    Geeezzzz, did I need a good laugh this morning.
  7. ArmedBear

    ArmedBear Well-Known Member

    Definitely an Aimpoint, with a flip-down magnifier for shots over 500 yards. Don't worry, I plan to use 63 grain bullets. I know the 55 grainers are a little light for elk, especially the FMJs.

    Question: how do I keep Lithium batteries alive when it's below freezing?

    I'd use something with a bit more velocity, but I'm concerned about meat damage.
  8. kdstrick

    kdstrick Well-Known Member

    You will need some of the plutonium tipped +P rounds.

    I would recommend a nice 6.5x20x50 Zeiss scope for your 642. :cool:
  9. ArmedBear

    ArmedBear Well-Known Member

    That's a good idea.

    Do you think the radiation will keep the meat from spoiling?:D
  10. 3pairs12

    3pairs12 Well-Known Member

    Yeah I think that the aimpoint with the flip down magnifier would be good, but I know a guy who said his friends brother has killed 100 elk with 55gr FMJs out to 700 meters, so it would probably be fine since he did it. Just make sure shot placement is good and you'll fine. You also make a good point about meat damage what about something along the lines of a 416 Rigby. Little smaller of a bullet. I think (once again with good shot placement) this may be the round you seek.
  11. 2-36x50 AO pistol scope for a snubbie .38 - that's a hoot. :D

    Seriously, if your question *would have been* serious, this is one possible actual practical solution:


    You get 'em lined up right, and you can take 20 or 30 antelope with one shot from the .458. :p
  12. ArmedBear

    ArmedBear Well-Known Member

    That's exactly the rumor I heard somewhere. Everyone there was drunk, though, so I didn't remember the details very well. Thanks for the accurate info!:evil:
  13. ArmedBear

    ArmedBear Well-Known Member

    What bullet do you recommend? I'd guess it should be non-expanding, but what bullets will continue to fly straightest when entering and exiting antelope?

    Also, what twist do you recommend to keep the bullet stable as it passes through?
  14. MCgunner

    MCgunner Well-Known Member

    Well, on the shotgun forum, I learned that the .410 slug is the best deer medicine available. Hmm, might have to rethink that, though, since I do have several .38s.
  15. ArmedBear

    ArmedBear Well-Known Member

    On the shotgun forum, I learned that, even if you have never fired a shotgun in your life, you can KNOW without a doubt that a SxS is the only option for you.
  16. You're grossly misinformed (or you MUST have indeed been drunk). It was 900 meters, not 700 meters, that the guy's friend's brother killed 200 elk at, with 45 gr JHP .223.

    The twist rate on the .458 WM must be 1 in 1" - one complete twist every inch of the barrel - that's the only way you can knock down in excess of 15 ungulates with one shot. At least that's what I heard over at sniperninjahunting.com. And by next year, they're coming out with a bullet that deforms to the shape of a boomerang after expanding through the first target and exiting, so that on the way back around, you should be able to kill at least 2 or 3 more in a big herd of antelope. You'll have between 4.5 and 6 seconds (depending on the atmospheric pressure and humidity) to hit the deck before the bullet comes back and hits you.
    Last edited: Aug 26, 2009
  17. kdstrick

    kdstrick Well-Known Member

    It will not. But it will eliminate the need to 'age' your meat, as the plutonium begins to break down the various enzymes upon impact. Tasty! :)

    Warning: It may also cause cancer... but so does everything else.:D
  18. CoRoMo

    CoRoMo Well-Known Member

    Tasco is the answer here. They make top tier rifle scopes that can be found for about $15.99 at Wal Mart. Just look for them hanging on the aisle, not the overpriced ones under the glass-top cabinet. No, no, no. They put those expensive ones behind the counter because they are so cheaply made, fragile and delicate, they wouldn't hold up in a plastic package on an aisle hook.:cool:

    I think Tasco has the current USMC sniper equipment contract locked down. No one else can compete.:neener:
    Last edited: Aug 26, 2009
  19. ArmedBear

    ArmedBear Well-Known Member

    A local gun shop had a consignment S&W revolver with a Tasco red dot on it. They wanted $575.

    I said to tell the gun's owner I'd offer $500 for the gun -- or $575 if he took the scope off.:D

    I had a Tasco once. Once.
  20. No one else is anxiously awaiting the advent of the boomerang bullet?

    Ditto. Still have it. Never shot a gun with it. The reticle broke during the 1st *mounting* of the scope. And this was the "good one" - a Tasco "World Class" - world class crap, that is - they didn't bother finishing the sentence. :mad:

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