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SAAMI video on ammunition and fire fighter safety

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by hso, Nov 28, 2012.

  1. Legionnaire

    Legionnaire Well-Known Member

    Great video; thanks. My wife and kids hated that I pointed out the silliness in the movie Paycheck. I'll have to show them this video to drive the point home.

    Anybody aware of a similar video on the subject of black powder?
  2. perpster

    perpster Well-Known Member

    What about rounds that are chambered? For instance, one's bedside or under the bed defensive firearm?
  3. Blackstone

    Blackstone Well-Known Member

    I would imagine that a chambered round "exploding" from fire would be identical to it firing normally.
  4. bflee

    bflee Well-Known Member

    If you send me your powder and bullets I will gladly burn them for you! I will let you know how they burned.
  5. bldsmith

    bldsmith Well-Known Member

    It did mention that a chambered round will fire just like it was fired from the weapon.

    Now if they would just drop the hazmat fees!!
  6. Schwing

    Schwing Well-Known Member

    I was surprised that no one has yet to claim that the video was yet another great conspiracy to deprive shooters of more ammo:)

    That was a great video. I thought it was interesting that the firefighters obviously were confident of the outcome, even during the first few tests, they were igniting the fires directly.

    thanks for sharing.
  7. BSA1

    BSA1 Well-Known Member

    I had a loaded .357 a magnum that went through the fire when our apartment burned down and the rounds did not fire. Although the grips were charred it may be the gun itself didn't get hot enough.
  8. Polar Express

    Polar Express Well-Known Member

    I know this thread hasn't been added to for some time, but I am a fireman, in a larger city. I've been to a house fire where rounds were popping off. I wasn't so nervous about the rounds popping off, as I was about the potential of a firearm with a round in the chamber. When we were doing overhaul (clearing the burned stuff out after the fire was out) I did find an AK, with a round in the chamber, and a mag attached.

    At the beginning of the video, they do clarify that if a round is in a gun, and it goes off from heat, it'll shoot just like the trigger was pulled, with the same kind of energy out the muzzle. Fortunately, heat rises, and most guns are stored lower in the room if they are kept loaded. (even 1200*F on the ceiling can mean 3-400* 3' off the floor in that room) In our city, we're usually on scene pretty darn fast, and our dept. is known for using aggressive tactics to get the fire put out. This means, that temperatures in a common apartment or single-family home usually don't get hot enough for the ammunition in the chamber to get hot enough to fire off. Also, IF it does get hot enough to fire off the round in an auto-loading rifle, the magazine does NOT have the same thermal insulation capacity as the chamber (thinner metal or plastic), so they would most likely pop off, and render the clip non-functional, so in that case, you'd only get one round fired out of a super-heated firearm. In a auto-loading pistol situation, the grip could act as an insulator, so I guess you would be more likely that the clip could actually feed a fresh round into the now-super-heated chamber, resulting in another bullet shooting out the front of the gun...but.. the gun would jump around from recoil, so it could perhaps stove-pipe... yada, yada, yada...

  9. Steve Cover

    Steve Cover Well-Known Member

    These videos have been around a long time.
    Back when I was instructing, we used to show them during the lunch break of our handgun courses.

    Naturally, there are varied opinions.

    The Myth Busters ran an ammunition in the fire myth enquiry a couple of years ago.
    I don't remember what they concluded but I believe it was different than the SAAMI test conclusions.

    About 40 years ago one of the gun magazines also ran a test where they set off a rifle round next to a bar of soap.
    The soap was dented, so they concluded that it would cause a bruise.

    To my mind, the only projectile with any force is the primer firing off and leaving the brass at low air rifle velocity.

    Unfortunately, most people refuse to buy into the truth.
    Being television and Hollywood trained, they are convinced that the ammunition or powder will explode.
    (In the case of Black powder they would be right. But smokeless powder doesn't explode.)

    After viewing these videos I modified how I store my powder and ammunition.
    The cartridges are stored on 2x8 shelving against a 3/4" piece of plywood backing.

    Primers are also stored the same way against the far wall of the garage.

    The powder is in a caster wheeled box made up of a double layer base of 3/4" ply with sides loosely nailed together 2x8s.
    The hinged (no latch) lid is also a double layer of 3/4" plywood.
    The box is plainly marked "Gun Powder" and has a pull rope attached.
    This is stored close to the garage door, again at the far wall from the house..
    In the case of a fire it can be pulled outside away from the house.

    All shelves and powder box are painted with waterglass to inhibit ignition.

    All this might be over kill considering the actual amounts I have on hand.
    But, it does give me peace of mind.

  10. lemaymiami

    lemaymiami Well-Known Member

    Very interesting... From my point of view the real danger that any modern structure fire presents is the fumes/smoke being generated.... In my area when I was in law enforcement we always told our officers to stay the heck out of any burning building since the smoke and related fumes were absolutely poisonous (serious stuff like cyanide, carbon monoxide, and other less well known components). Of course young officers will do the rescue thing even though not properly equipped... The first thing that responding firemen had to do was rescue my officers on more than one occasion.... A blood gas test on the officers involved was usually an eye-opener... Ammunition was very low on our list of concerns in fires -despite all the Hollywood mis-information on the issue.

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