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Safety around a toddler

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by Madcap_Magician, Dec 12, 2012.

  1. Madcap_Magician

    Madcap_Magician Well-Known Member

    Hi all,

    Looking for good bedside safety containers or locks for my CCW gun. I'm a bad gun owner with an unfortunately ingrained casual attitude toward where my guns are located, and my wife has pointed out to me that I need to secure them better.

    Had a Gunvault, but didn't like it due to it needing new batteries almost every month, having a weak locking mechanism, and mine would randomly open when you hit the night table it was on.

    Hoping to find one that is quick to access and is somewhat roomy, as it would have three handguns and usually the contents of my pockets as well.

    Thanks much.
  2. Skribs

    Skribs Well-Known Member

    Wow, I was going to recommend a gunvault, because I've never had that problem. I have one of the models that let you plug it in, but it's worked flawlessly for me. Locking mechanism is as solid as you can expect.

    I do know there are mechanical push-button safes that are similar to a gunvault, except they require no batteries. Not sure of any brand names, though.
  3. CoRoMo

    CoRoMo Well-Known Member

    Although my many years' experience with GunVault products has been quite the opposite of yours (Magician), I'd also highly recommend that you contact a gentleman who is a member here: http://www.thehighroad.org/member.php?u=100837
    V-Line has this, but I would recommend www.fas1safe.com over them unless you just have to have a drawer safe.
  4. Onward Allusion

    Onward Allusion Well-Known Member

    Toddlers are one of the scariest creatures known to man. Regardless of how well you think you have your home kid-proofed, they will find ways to hurt themselves or worst.

    Store all your guns in a safe or a heavy duty locked locker. Wear your nightstand gun on your person. When you go to bed, drop it into a quick open MECHANICAL GunVault.
  5. allaroundhunter

    allaroundhunter Well-Known Member

    I think you got a lemon, Madcap. My Gunvault has been going strong for a year without a need to change batteries and it locks up tight. I have even dropped it about 4 feet and it didn't pop open or anything.
  6. robMaine

    robMaine Well-Known Member

    I am not advocating this by any means. But I have heard people storing guns until their children are about 2-3 with it just unchambered, operating under the assumption the a child of that age can't rack the slide.
  7. Texan Scott

    Texan Scott Well-Known Member

    robMaine, when my wife has a pickle jar she can't open, she gives it to me. When _I_ have a pickle jar I can't open, I set it within reach of a toddler with strict instructions not to touch. Pickles in no time.

    Gunsafe. Find one, buy one, use one.
  8. coolluke01

    coolluke01 Well-Known Member

    I have a gunvault for about a year now and haven't had to change the batteries and haven't had any problems.

    I would thy them again.

    Keep it locked up some how. Those little ones are so curious and want to do everything daddy does, often to excess. If you safely unholster a gun and place in a drawer, they will wave it around and point it at little brother. I have 3 little boys and I keep my guns secured at all times.

    Unloading it and placing the mag somewhere else will work for a while. But they will soon be able to do amazing things. That's not a good surprise to have happen.
  9. jmorris

    jmorris Well-Known Member

    A box with a latch inside, with a finger hole that only an adult finger can reach will do it.

    However, start teaching them gun safety when they are here. Think back to when you were a kid and what could keep you out.

  10. RTR_RTR

    RTR_RTR Well-Known Member

    Madcap - I know you're looking into locking storage so this isn't directed at you.

    Please - No treating high places or unchambered weapons as safe for preventing a child's access
  11. gspn

    gspn Well-Known Member

    You control your attitude about guns. If your attitude is lax then your baby is in danger and it's your fault...period. Tighten your attitude up.

    Get something TOMORROW. Not the day after...or sometime next week...TOMORROW. Good is not the enemy of perfect...an adequate solution NOW is better than a perfect solution next year.

    I'm not trying to flame you too badly...I just can't stand reading stories about kids being shot. I've seen three such stories in the past month and each time it's an adult with a lax attitude who kills a kid.:banghead:
  12. Shadow 7D

    Shadow 7D Well-Known Member

    you can't child proof your house (they still manage to get in.....)
    best you can do is teach them right and GUNPROOF your kid
  13. Sheepdog1968

    Sheepdog1968 Well-Known Member

    Fort Knoxx makes some mechanical button ones for pistols and long arms. I cant gurantee they are any good but it is a reputable company in my opinion Pistol box runs around $200. Beware the inexpensive vendors. Forbes did an investigation (google and you will find video) and found the inexpensive ones can easily be opened by lifting a side of the safe six inches and then letting it drop. Also, consider keeping the chamber empty. It's a fraction of a second longer to load but does increase the safety in my opinion. Also, you may want to keep kids out of room where safe is as well by keeping the door locked when you aren't sleeping in the bedroom.

    By the way, a friend of mine was shot when he was a kid playing cops and robbers at another friends home. As such, I tend to worry about this a bit more.
  14. xfyrfiter

    xfyrfiter Well-Known Member

    I don't want to be too critical here, this is The High Road after all, but until you can train yourself to be ever vigilant about your handguns, they must be locked up in a secure place with trigger locks installed, whenever you are not in physical possession of the gun. IMO the only safe way when toddlers are involved.
  15. MachIVshooter

    MachIVshooter Well-Known Member

    I do. And until someone can show me a toddler capable of jacking a round into the chamber of a Glock 20, I won't worry one bit.

    We also teach the girls. We teach them that firearms are not evil or scary, but that they're never to touch them unless mommy or daddy is holding the gun and says it's OK to touch. As such, they become familiar items in the household that are of little interest.

    Of course, it's not like I'm leaving loaded guns all over the place 24/7 just to tempt fate. Most of them are put away, except the night stand weapons.

    Those who try to keep their firearms completely away from the kids are the ones who will more likely regret it that one time they forget to lock the bedroom door or latch the safe.
  16. rskent

    rskent Well-Known Member

    Gotta lock them up. With little kids (or teenagers) around, it's the only acceptable solution.

    As far as the gun-vault thing, they pretty much suck. I have two of them. They worked great
    for a while. Then they started using batteries faster than I could buy new ones. Fortunately
    they come with a key. I ended up just taking out the batteries and using the key lock. I also
    ended up taking out the foam from inside of them. I got tired of picking little bits of foam out
    of my guns.
    As a side note the two Gun-vaults are the only places that I keep loaded handguns in my house.
    They also have a large LOADED label on the front of them. As I get older I get easier to confuse.
  17. RTR_RTR

    RTR_RTR Well-Known Member

    MachIV, I agree with your general message of education, however

    How about hands on the slide, grip on a table (grip away from the kid), then leaning weight into the pistol?

    Leave it unchambered as a secondary line of defense to locking it up if you want, but the idea of unchambering a pistol being the 1st line physical safeguard makes me queasy.
  18. Davek1977

    Davek1977 Well-Known Member

    While I agree with keeping them locked up when there are CHILDREN in the house, I DISAGREE COMPLETELY about a teenager mandating guns be locked up. Every case is different, I realize, but I was allowed to keep my guns...as a teenager....in the cabinet beside my bed. I was taught and observed every gun safey rule, and my parents never had any reason to regret allowing me to have such easy access. Fast forward to today...My nephews, 14 and 11, keep guns and ammo in their rooms, under their control, as well. They are well aware guns are not toys, that they aren't allowed to use them without permission (aside from emergencies) etc. Blanket statements such as yours discount the fact that many teenagers can have access to guns and do use them responsibly.
  19. The Lone Haranguer

    The Lone Haranguer Well-Known Member

  20. brnmw

    brnmw Well-Known Member

    I do not have children but I am around many people who do and I agree with this.... "Big Time":


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