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Seems that a good portion of Eastern Colorado Forests are now closed to shooting

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by duck911, Jul 1, 2012.

  1. duck911

    duck911 Well-Known Member

    Sorry if someone else already posted this - I haven't seen mention of it.

    But it appears that the NFS has shut down shooting in much of Colorado's public lands east of the divide:

    Order No. 10-00-2012-03


    Arapaho and Roosevelt National Forests
    and Pawnee National Grassland

    Due to extreme fire conditions, pursuant to 16 U.S.C. § 551 and 36 CFR § 261.50(a), the following act is prohibited on lands administered by the Arapaho and Roosevelt National Forests and Pawnee National Grassland. This prohibition applies to the areas depicted on the attached map, hereby incorporated into this Order as Exhibit A.

    1.Discharging a firearm. 261.58(m)
    Pursuant to 36 CFR 261.50(e), the following persons are exempt from this order:
    1. Persons with a US Forest Service permit specifically authorizing the prohibited act or omission.
    2. Any Federal, State, or local officer in the performance of an official duty.
    3. Any person possessing a valid Colorado hunting license lawfully involved in hunting and harvesting game.
    4. Persons discharging an air rifle or gas gun.
    This order is in effect starting at 12:01 a.m. on June 25, 2012 and will remain in effect until rescinded.
    Done at Fort Collins, Colorado this 24th day of June, 2012.

    /s/ Glenn P. Casamassa
    Forest Supervisor
    Arapaho and Roosevelt National Forests
    Pawnee National Grassland

    Violation of these regulations is punishable as a Class B misdemeanor, by a fine of not more than $5000 for an individual or $10,000 for an organization, or imprisonment for not more than six (6) months, or both. (16 USC § 551 and 18 USC §§ 3559 and 3571).

  2. hso

    hso Moderator Staff Member

    Considering the fires in CO I don't think anyone wants to take any chances of another blaze starting.

    We're so bad here in E. Tn. that a lawnmower blade hitting a rock sparked a fire that burned several acres where the 4th of July fireworks were normally held. Grass is sage colored and crunch instead of the normal bright green and lush. I'd be afraid of a spark setting anything off around our place so we won't be shooting until the first rain arrives.
  3. Robert

    Robert Moderator

    The fire that started near Lake George is rumored, I know, to have been started by someone shooting a propane tank or bottle. We are in a record drought with the forests having never before seen low levels of moisture content. So I can understand why the FS would make this new rule, at least for the time being. The whole state is literally a tinder box.
  4. whichfinger

    whichfinger Well-Known Member

    A few months ago a couple of idiots were shooting tracers at Pawnee National Grasslands. Guess what the result was. Go ahead, guess. Fortunately there were several other groups of shooters there who put it out.

    I don't care a whole lot for rumors, but sometimes one pops up that, unfounded or not, the antis will use as ammunition. One such rumor says that suspected use of exploding targets started one of the fires here in Colorado. I know exploding targets are verboten at Pawnee, and since the Forest Service oversees activities there, I suspect Tannerite, et.al., are also forbidden in the National Forests. Sometimes I think 2A should be amended to say only those citizens with an I.Q. of Average or above can bear arms.
  5. hso

    hso Moderator Staff Member

    We probably have more of a problem with ignorance from lack of information and mentoring than true stupidity. Many a dad/uncle/grandfather isn't involved in many of our first experience shooters who's only experience with firearms and shooting come through an entertainment video feed where sage advice isn't the norm. "Too dry" isn't heard on games/TV/movies.
  6. X-Rap

    X-Rap Well-Known Member

    I think now is a time for some self restraint and prudent use of our shooting rights. If you have a clear gravel pit or range that has little to no danger of setting fire then go ahead but do so with full knowledge that at least in my area the fuels are as dry as they have ever been and will flash out of control before you get a chance to react with any counter measures. I was told the Pine Ridge fire was the fastest growing fire in CO state history. Went from 1200 acres to around 15,000 overnight.
    Those using incendiary, steel core, or those exploding targets and setting fires under these type 2 restrictions should be held accountable and charged with arson and any other applicable as a result of such fire. That may sound harsh and almost anti gun to some but this is serious business and I feel the same for those who are smokers, grillers, or think they need to burn their trash or roast their marshmellows.
  7. steveno

    steveno Well-Known Member

    since I don't have anything that shoots the steel jacketed or steel core ammo has anybody seen sparks when shooting in a rocky area with this ammo? while I'm pretty sure it could happen with tracers but maybe I'm a little skeptical of the "steel" ammo sustaining a spark along enought to start a fire unless there was a lot of rounds fired. just curious
  8. Coyote3855

    Coyote3855 Well-Known Member

    My son is a wildland fire fighter and incident manager. I asked him about steel jacketed ammo. He thought it was possible but more likely tracers or exploding targets. He did say his team has traced several roadside fires to trailer safety chains, undone and sparking on the pavement.
  9. Shadow 7D

    Shadow 7D Well-Known Member

    Is that what they are using these days, back when I was a kid in Cali and the contracts were up for renegotiation, it seemed those road side fires popped up a lot more, something about firemen, er, smokers tossing butts....

    ON a serious note, a forest fire ain't a joke, and a good burn is a damn scare thing to come face to face with. The military managed their lands with controlled burns every 2-3 years, for the reason that they would burn, it wasn't a question of if, solely when.
  10. Silas

    Silas Member

    In the Sam Houston National Forest here in east Texas, target shooting is permanently prohibited. They started by making designated target shooting areas, then they closed them and prohibited target shooting altogether. It seems if they can't take our guns, they're just going to make it cost us more to practice with them. I understand the deal in Colorado with the drought, but here, where I am anyway, we're not that dry any more.
  11. foghornl

    foghornl Well-Known Member

    Haven't heard about closing the outdoor ranges here in N.E. Ohio, but right now we are drier than ahhhhh 'Salted Popcorn Flatulence'

    More than 6" short of average rainfall in June, and July looks to be the same. Yards are mostly a shade of "dormant grass brown'
  12. X-Rap

    X-Rap Well-Known Member

    I hear you Silas and that's why I would rather people just quit on their own while there is such a high fire danger. My hope would be that the Gov. would not jump into more regulation if there is no shooting incidents related to fire. I know there are a number of them already blamed on shooters so that ship has kind of sailed already but in Western CO. there are no shooting bans yet that I'm aware of.
  13. mljdeckard

    mljdeckard Well-Known Member

    I very much agree with x-rap. Utah has had dozens of fires started by shooters this year. I'm betting most of them were shooting Russian ammo.

    A few weeks ago I was in a Sportsman's Warehouse and they were selling ammo marked 'tracer'. I asked the clerk if he was aware that it was illegal. He said; "Would we sell it if it was illegal?" I bit it off and walked away.

    Our governor just announced that he would not seek a special legislative session to seek a ban on target shooting. I think that we need to cool it voluntarily. If someone just HAS to shoot, I can refer them to a couple of rock quarries where they won't start anything they can't finish.
  14. X-Rap

    X-Rap Well-Known Member

    You make a good point on the retailers as well, so far as I know Cabelas and SW are both still selling the tannerite (spelling?) targets and I'm sure it is still being peddled at the gun shows. Penetrator steel core should be on that voluntary list as well.
  15. KnekBeard

    KnekBeard Member

    I forget what the name of the fire was, but some people i know started a fire on storm mountain earlier this year. This is just south of the high park fire in colorado.They were shooting tracers at tannerite or equivent. I don't belive they were charged, but should have been. I think restraint is mandatory this year.
  16. mljdeckard

    mljdeckard Well-Known Member

    I just posted a request on facebook for all shooters to curtail all shooting activities. Keep it indoors and at rock quarries, and no Wolf ammo out in the brush. This one is bad guys, we need to cool it.
    Last edited: Jul 3, 2012
  17. X-Rap

    X-Rap Well-Known Member

    It sounds like we may be transitioning into the Monsoons soon so maybe things will improve before hunting season.
    If nothing else I hope this at least raises the awareness of shooters.
  18. MErl

    MErl Well-Known Member

    There is a fire ban in these areas every year. If shooting is now in the same category as campfires as far as the CO rangers are concerned, there will no longer be any shooting along the front range during summer.

    Adjacent areas in WY, forests that abut, same fire ban but no shooting ban. I fear there is something beyond a fire ban going on.
  19. X-Rap

    X-Rap Well-Known Member

    Here is a story of another fire started by negligence, 18,000 acres burned by a shotgun shell with a warning attached. I bet this will be a life changer for him.


    As for the front range bans, you are probably right. Probably more to it than just public safety.
  20. popper

    popper Well-Known Member

    The older I get, the lower the IQ of the general public.

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