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Selling inside (into) California

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by drjconley, Nov 17, 2010.

  1. drjconley

    drjconley New Member

    Nov 13, 2010
    I live in California. I have seen a few sellers state that they wont sell to a person in California. Is it a major hassle to sell inside this state? What is the process of an out of state person selling a gun to a California resident?

    Thank You,

  2. nalioth

    nalioth Senior Member

    Jul 9, 2007
    Houston, Texas
    Last edited: Nov 17, 2010
  3. Librarian

    Librarian Senior Member

    Oct 14, 2003
    Concord, CA
    There are two major considerations: political and practical.

    Politically, there are strong feelings that California deserves ostracism for the idiotic laws its legislature inflicts on us.

    That overflows into the practical: our 'assault weapon' law makes it difficult to determine what is legal to send into CA, our Roster of Handguns limits the handguns that can be sent here, and the CFLC program adds an intrusive hoop to jump through for an FFL.

    Aside from that, it's all rainbows and unicorns, just like everything else in CA.

    See also the Calguns Foundation Wiki.
    Last edited: Nov 17, 2010
  4. Sir Aardvark

    Sir Aardvark Senior Member

    Jan 9, 2005
    Southern California
    Bunch of rules to follow!

    Hold on to your hat for this one, it will make your head spin!!!

    To ship a gun into California you need special permission to do it. Just read the following...

    First off, if it's a handgun, it needs to be on California's approved handgun list:


    Then, the person (FFL Holder) shipping the gun must obtain a "Firearms Shipment Approval Number" from CADOJ Bureau of Firearms prior to shipping a firearm. A new number is needed for every shipment:


    And, if you receive firearms in California, you must be listed on the Centralized List of firearms dealers, or, in other words, be an FFL Licensed gun dealer.

    When I sold guns in California, I needed 7 seperate licenses, permits, and certificates in order to do business.

    I'm sure there is something I missed - California's laws are so nutty and everchanging that I can no longer keep track of everything, but, in short - YES! - it is a pain in the butt to do firearms business in California!

    And just wait until 2012 when California bans mail-order sales of ammunition.
  5. dogtown tom

    dogtown tom Senior Member

    Jan 15, 2006
    Plano, Texas
    It took me less than ten minutes to register with CDOJ so I could ship guns to California.

    It adds all of ONE minute on the computer to print out a transaction number for each shipment.

    Small price to pay to stick it to the anti's.
  6. natman

    natman Senior Member

    Feb 11, 2007
    First, the seller must confirm that the gun is legal in CA, i.e., on the CA approved list of handguns, not an assault rifle, etc.

    From a private party: The seller ships to an FFL in the buyer's state (CA), just like in every other state.

    From an FFL: The FFL has to register with the CA CFLC program. This is about as complicated as registering with this forum.
    Then for each transaction, the FFL has to get a number from CFLC. This is about as complicated as posting a message in this forum.
  7. Shadow 7D

    Shadow 7D Senior Member

    Nov 30, 2008
    Frozen North
    Dude, I can buy stuff from Russia easier than dealing with that BS
  8. natman

    natman Senior Member

    Feb 11, 2007
    Point 1) I doubt that you can buy a firearm and have it shipped from Russia with less paperwork than shipping a firearm to CA.

    Point 2) I'm just the messenger. I don't agree with or support any of CA's extra layers of bureaucracy. I just follow them and wanted to give a realistic summation of how much extra effort is involved.

    If you don't want to ship firearms to CA because of it, that's your prerogative.

    You'll make the people who wrote the laws very happy.
  9. jhansman

    jhansman Member

    Mar 8, 2007
    What Natman said. Those who refuse to sell to Calif. buyers because of the idiotic laws are only playing into the hands of the antis, both in and not in the legislature. They may think they are registering some kind of protest, but all they are really doing is helping to keep guns out of the hands of legally qualified owners. We all understand the problem (at least, I think we do), but not selling in Calif. is not sending a message to the lawmakers. The two vendors I continue to buy from online (Bud's and R&R Arms) both made sure they were compliant as soon as the newest requirements were stupidly put into place.

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