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selling reloads?

Discussion in 'Handloading and Reloading' started by banjoman2255, Jul 21, 2009.

  1. banjoman2255

    banjoman2255 New Member

    Jul 14, 2009
    Jackson, Mississippi
    If I start reloading pistol ammo is it legal for me to sell it without an FFL?
  2. flipajig

    flipajig Active Member

    Mar 12, 2009
    Gods coununtry. IDAHO.
    bad idea.. I shoot my reloads and only mine.. will not sell any.. and will not load for a friend.. what works in my guns will work in others as well but i wont find out..to big of a lyability..
  3. zxcvbob

    zxcvbob Mentor

    Sep 15, 2007
    S.E. Minnesota
    No. You also need a ridiculous expensive license from the State Dept.
  4. mallc

    mallc Active Member

    Apr 28, 2007
    FFL in Muscatine, Iowa 52761

    Most will tell you not to do it. I will tell you to think about it carefully.

    It's fairly involved to do it safely. It's fairly involved to do it legally. It's fairly involved to do it economically.

    ATF requires a Type 6 FFL. You have to register with various tax agencies and pay fees. You should have insurance and insurance cost depends on your systems and capabilities. Add to that the cost and availability of supplies and you are asking a question of commitment and patients.

    Hope this helps.
  5. fourdollarbill

    fourdollarbill Active Member

    Nov 24, 2008
    It is definitely illegal without the proper licensing. I spent an afternoon reading the United States code and put together this file just for this question. Sorry to burst any bubbles but better to be safe than jailed.

    Strategic selling is optional!:rolleyes:

    United States Code
    Section 921. Definitions
    Section 922. Unlawful Acts
    Section 923. Licensing
    Section 924. Penalties
    Section 925. Exceptions: Relief From Disabilities
    Section 925A. Remedy For Erroneous Denial Of Firearm
    Section 926. Rules And Regulations
    Section 926A. Interstate Transportation Of Firearms
    Section 927. Effect On State Law
    Section 928. Separability
    Section 929. Use Of Restricted Ammunition
    Section 930. Possession Of Firearms And Dangerous Weapons In Federal Facilities
    Section 931. Prohibition On Purchase, Ownership, Or Possession Of Body Armor By Violent Felons

    Section 921. Definitions

    (a) As used in this chapter -
    (1) The term "person" and the term "whoever" include any
    individual, corporation, company, association, firm, partnership,
    society, or joint stock company.

    (10) The term "manufacturer" means any person engaged in the
    business of manufacturing firearms or ammunition for purposes of
    sale or distribution; and the term "licensed manufacturer" means
    any such person licensed under the provisions of this chapter.

    (17)(A) The term "ammunition" means ammunition or cartridge
    cases, primers, bullets, or propellant powder designed for use in
    any firearm.

    (21) The term "engaged in the business" means -
    (B) as applied to a manufacturer of ammunition, a person who
    devotes time, attention, and labor to manufacturing ammunition as
    a regular course of trade or business with the principal
    objective of livelihood and profit through the sale or
    distribution of the ammunition manufactured;

    (22) The term "with the principal objective of livelihood and
    profit" means that the intent underlying the sale or disposition of
    firearms is predominantly one of obtaining livelihood and pecuniary
    gain, as opposed to other intents, such as improving or liquidating
    a personal firearms collection: Provided, That proof of profit
    shall not be required as to a person who engages in the regular and
    repetitive purchase and disposition of firearms for criminal
    purposes or terrorism. For purposes of this paragraph, the term
    "terrorism" means activity, directed against United States persons,
    which -

    Section 922. Unlawful acts

    (a) It shall be unlawful -
    (1) for any person -

    (B) except a licensed importer or licensed manufacturer, to
    engage in the business of importing or manufacturing
    ammunition, or in the course of such business, to ship,
    transport, or receive any ammunition in interstate or foreign

    Section 923. Licensing

    (a) No person shall engage in the business of importing,
    manufacturing, or dealing in firearms, or importing or
    manufacturing ammunition, until he has filed an application with
    and received a license to do so from the Attorney General. The
    application shall be in such form and contain only that information
    necessary to determine eligibility for licensing as the Attorney
    General shall by regulation prescribe and shall include a
    photograph and fingerprints of the applicant. Each applicant shall
    pay a fee for obtaining such a license, a separate fee being
    required for each place in which the applicant is to do business,
    as follows:
    (1) If the applicant is a manufacturer -
    (A) of destructive devices, ammunition for destructive devices
    or armor piercing ammunition, a fee of $1,000 per year;
    (B) of firearms other than destructive devices, a fee of $50
    per year; or
    (C) of ammunition for firearms, other than ammunition for
    destructive devices or armor piercing ammunition, a fee of $10
    per year.

    Section 924. Penalties

    (a)(1) Except as otherwise provided in this subsection,
    subsection (b), (c), or (f) of this section, or in section 929,
    whoever -
    (D) willfully violates any other provision of this chapter,
    shall be fined under this title, imprisoned not more than five
    years, or both.
  6. Claude Clay

    Claude Clay Senior Member

    Mar 6, 2007
    i like to reload; especially working up a load in something unusual or 'difficult'

    i like the term strategic reload.

    sell it---NO. there is a lot of fun to be had without profit being a motive.
    there is a friday group that meets informally and we have a lot of toys to play with.
    shooting, strategy, informal IDPA, SASS, pins whatever we all bring we play together.
    average byproduct of our 5 or 6 hours is 25 or so pounds of reusable brass [ & 2 mt bricks of 22lr]--milsurp is scaped

    to replensih for the next week a list of stuff that's needed is posted and if material appears than product gets made.
    and lots of fun gets had. this group is growing and all are learning to reload and all know the risks involved. one dude had a box of 'junk'' from which we had working a 1871 10.4 x 38 Vitalli (sp)

    for fun, not for profit
    Last edited: Jul 21, 2009
  7. banjoman2255

    banjoman2255 New Member

    Jul 14, 2009
    Jackson, Mississippi
    thanks for the input
  8. 1858rem

    1858rem Participating Member

    Aug 19, 2008
    in the sticks of nc
    so say you sell off one caliber gun that you will no longer reload for, is it legal to sell the remaining reloads as "components only" for what it cost you to make them?

    ....and are you still liable if someone does end up shooting the reloads sold as components only?
  9. Deavis

    Deavis Participating Member

    Nov 21, 2003
    Austin, Texas
    The law is very specific. You cannot be engaged in the business of manufacturing ammunition without a license. The minutiae can be argued but the general concept is clear, if you are loading ammunition with the intent to sell it and you don't have an FFL, then there is a possibility that you could be charged with breaking the law if you are caught. Your question is similar to the age old, "Can I sell guns without a license?" The answer is the same; yes but you cannot be involved in the BUSINESS of selling guns. The ATF has plenty of FAQs available, go read them.
  10. bhawkeye

    bhawkeye New Member

    May 18, 2007
    No - but besides being illegal, you would be opening yourself up to significant liability claims if someone has issues with your ammo (KB, used in a crime, etc.). Don't do it without the proper licenses and insurance. Better yet, just don't do it unless you really want to make it your main business.
  11. fourdollarbill

    fourdollarbill Active Member

    Nov 24, 2008
    Yes you can sell off your remaining reloads for what cost you have in them.

    As far as the liable part... your liable for the tree you planted 30 years ago on property you sold 20 years ago and that tree fell on neighbors friends car during a wind storm. No matter what it is someone will sue you regardless of what the law says.:confused:
  12. buck460XVR

    buck460XVR Mentor

    Feb 6, 2007
    I watch the local paper for auctions and garage sales lookin' for deals on reloading equipment and components. They're good places to pick up old ammo boxes for my collection also. One of the last garage sales I went to that claimed to have reloading components, was actually a guy with a card table full of reloads priced at about the same as new factory. Claimed he sold out everytime he and his wife had a sale. Needless to say I didn't buy any. Wasn't a week later I saw their add in the paper again.
  13. JohnNguyen

    JohnNguyen New Member

    Apr 7, 2009
    Why on EARTH would you sell reloads to someone? You're questioning is legally evasive and unethical!

    The fact that you care about being LIABLE makes you completely in the wrong, how about caring if you kill someone for your NEGLIGENCE.

    If you doubt your ammo even a FRACTION of a percent, you owe it to that person to TELL them, or don't sell it. SIMPLE!

    Whenever you purchase a product, you dont need a guarantee, rather you accept it as FACT that the item you purchased is fully, and faithfully what it claims to be. You don't buy filets of steak from the butcher, and ever question it being tofu, do you?

    So yeah, are you liable for shoddy ammo? Yes, anyone telling your different IS, wrong!
  14. lgbloader

    lgbloader Participating Member

    Apr 17, 2008
    Well... there you have it.

  15. evan price

    evan price Mentor

    Dec 7, 2005
    http://www.ohioccw.org/ Ohio's best CCW resour
    You need an FFL 06 which is $30 for three years, and registration with the State Department as a "Producer of war material" which costs $2250 last time I looked. Same to make lead boolits for sale.
    Plus a ridiculous liability insurance policy, and check your local zoning to be sure that sort of business is allowed.
    Or you could just do it on the sly, and hope to not get caught or sued, the gamble here is ten years in Federal Pound-You-In-The-Azz Prison and losing all your assets.

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