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semi auto shotgun..How big can mag be?

Discussion in 'Shotguns' started by chetrogers, Jul 15, 2006.

  1. chetrogers

    chetrogers Well-Known Member

    I always thought that it was against the law to have a semi auto shotgun with a magazine that will hold 10 or 12..Now maybe it was just a Oregon law but i thought it was a law everywhere?

    Me and a friend are discussing it and Would anyone know where online i could get a link so i can send it to him If he is rite or wrong :)
  2. JohnBT

    JohnBT Well-Known Member

    I've never heard of any law like that. World record holder Patrick Flanigan uses an SX-2 that holds more than 10 and he shoots it all over the country.

  3. chetrogers

    chetrogers Well-Known Member

    Im curious to what makes a street sweeper class 3 then..Is it the pistol grip or something..I dont know why i thought a regular shotgun couldnt have more then 10 if it wasnt a pump.O well looks like my friend was rite and i was wrong...
  4. Dionysusigma

    Dionysusigma Well-Known Member

    I think at that point (>10 capacity) the lawmakers decided that it became a "destructive device."

    Don't ask me why. No gun laws make any real sense.
  5. marklbucla

    marklbucla Well-Known Member

    I believe ********** has some kind of law restricting mag length in a semi auto.
  6. Hkmp5sd

    Hkmp5sd Well-Known Member

    No, it doesn't. That would make all shotguns with detachable magazines a DD because someone could make a large magazine.

    The Street Sweeper was designated a DD because ATF said it was a DD. They wanted to ban it, but it is essentially just a shotgun. The only way to restrict it was stick it under the NFA. The reasons are laughable. It's too heavy to carry while hunting, too cumbersome for skeet or trap shooting, too wide and its shape is too radical.

  7. beerslurpy

    beerslurpy member

    In CA, semiauto shotgun with mag > 5 or detachable is banned.

    The USAS-12 and Streetsweeper were banned by Lloyd Bentsen under Clinton because they have large capacities and generally look very scary. The USAS 12 had 20+ round drums and the street-sweeper had a rotating cylinder magazine.

    The revenue ruling was ATF 1994-1 but I cant find it online.
  8. chetrogers

    chetrogers Well-Known Member

    So it does seem legal to have a semi auto shotgun that can have a magazine over 10...I never would of thunk it..
  9. Third_Rail

    Third_Rail Well-Known Member

    ALL shotguns over .50 bore size (that's all of them except for .410 [and the .22 smoothbores, etc.]) are DDs unless the BATFE specifically says they're just for sporting purposes and thus are exempt. Nice, no? :barf:
  10. razorburn

    razorburn member

    So almost all shotguns can be declared legal or illegal depending on their whim? :what: :mad:
  11. beerslurpy

    beerslurpy member

    Yes, there is no objective way of designing a shotgun to ensure that it falls precisely on one side or the other. There is a huge grey area.

    To give you an idea of what sort of authority "sporting purposes" gives the ATF, check out this case. The ATF has argued in certain cases that pistol grip shotguns (still ordinary Title 1 weapons) are DDs, at least for the purpose of state laws that ban them under an identical definition (U.S. v. Tomlinson, 67 F.3d 508 (4th Cir. 1995)). We really need to roll back the 68 GCA, especially the sporting purposes parts. It is a huge land mine waiting to go off when the next anti-gun administration takes power.
  12. 50 Shooter

    50 Shooter member

    Read parts 6-8 for **********.

    12276.1 (a) Notwithstanding Section 12276, "assault weapon" shall also mean any of the following:

    (1) A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has the capacity to accept a detachable magazine and any one of the following:
    (A) A pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon.
    (B) A thumbhole stock.
    (C) A folding or telescoping stock.
    (D) A grenade launcher or flare launcher.
    (E) A flash suppressor.
    (F) A forward pistol grip.

    (2) A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has a fixed magazine with the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds.

    (3) A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has an overall length of less than 30 inches.

    (4) A semiautomatic pistol that has the capacity to accept a detachable magazine and any one of the following:
    (A) A threaded barrel, capable of accepting a flash suppressor, forward handgrip, or silencer.
    (B) A second handgrip.
    (C) A shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely encircles, the barrel that allows the bearer to fire the weapon without burning his or her hand, except a slide that encloses the barrel.
    (D) The capacity to accept a detachable magazine at some location outside of the pistol grip.

    (5) A semiautomatic pistol with a fixed magazine that has the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds.

    (6) A semiautomatic shotgun that has both of the following:
    (A) A folding or telescoping stock.
    (B) A pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon, thumbhole stock, or vertical handgrip.

    (7) A semiautomatic shotgun that has the ability to accept a detachable magazine.

    (8) Any shotgun with a revolving cylinder.

    (b) "Assault weapon" does not include any antique firearm.

    (c) The following definitions shall apply under this section:
    (1) "Magazine" shall mean any ammunition feeding device.
    (2) "Capacity to accept more than 10 rounds" shall mean capable of accommodating more than 10 rounds, but shall not be construed to include a feeding device that has been permanently altered so that it cannot accommodate more than 10 rounds.
    (3) "Antique firearm" means any firearm manufactured prior to January 1, 1899.

    (d) This section shall become operative January 1, 2000.
  13. BergaminoCAV

    BergaminoCAV Well-Known Member

    Never heard of any mag restrictions unless you are hunting, and I live in Jersey, our gunlaws make other states gunlaws look like small traffic violations lol

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