1. This site uses cookies. By continuing to use this site, you are agreeing to our use of cookies. Learn More.

Semi Auto with Semi..

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by Brian Williams, Nov 9, 2012.

  1. Brian Williams

    Brian Williams Moderator Emeritus

    Would you buy a Semi Auto handgun that automatically dropped an empty mag?
    and locked the slide back?
  2. creeper1956

    creeper1956 Well-Known Member

    Ahhhhh... no. I can't see a situation where that'd be a good idea... but it's 4:30 in the morning and I don't know why I'm up either. :p

    Why... are you pondering such a thing?
  3. bannockburn

    bannockburn Well-Known Member

    No, not really.
  4. Brian Williams

    Brian Williams Moderator Emeritus

    In a heated combat situation with the mag empty and dropped with the slide locked back, insert full mag and release slide and you are ready to rock. Think M1 Garand en-bloc in a handgun.
  5. 1911Tuner

    1911Tuner Moderator Emeritus

    The drawback that I see is that the defender may not realize that the gun has run dry and ejected the clip/magazine. With the M1, it was out the top...in your face. With a pistol, it would be out the bottom and out of your line of sight. I think I'd prefer to stick to the habit of reloading before the gun runs dry if and when the opportunity presents itself.
  6. 1911 guy

    1911 guy Well-Known Member

    Would the automatic release interfere with the ability to eject the magazine at will?

    Would the automatic slide release interfere with the ability to lock it to the rear manually?

    I'm thinking administrative drills and immediate action drills here.
  7. creeper1956

    creeper1956 Well-Known Member

    I've shot plenty of pistol matches, but in truth, my mindset was more about cutting times and reducing misses. I've never been in a (real) heated combat situation with a handgun... and the idea of not being in control of a guns functions causes my teeth to grind involuntarily. :what:
  8. 56hawk

    56hawk Well-Known Member

    I think it would be pretty cool. Especially if it also dropped the slide when a new magazine was inserted, like the Mauser HSc.
  9. tarosean

    tarosean Well-Known Member

    I had a Star that automatically dropped magazines full or empty it didn't matter...

    Oh wait, that's not what you meant... :)
    Last edited: Nov 9, 2012
  10. psyopspec

    psyopspec Well-Known Member

    I would be interested in trying a gun like that, perhaps through a season of IDPA or one of the host of gun schools.

    The concerns I have off the top of my head: Even though it's slower, taking things step by step ensures that those steps get done (Adjust grip, drop mag, readjust, insert, release slide). In a dark alley, I would hate to go to insert a new magazine into an auto that was supposed to automatically drop the empty, only to find the drop hadn't occurred. Inventing new malfunction drills in that situation would be... not fun.
  11. Drail

    Drail Well-Known Member

    Yeah, that would be really cool - until it malfunctioned. All of my 1911s have had the slide stop modified so that the slide stop will never lock the slide unless you put your thumb under it and manually lock it open. Over the years I have seen too many times where a gun would lock open in the middle of a magazine in a match Ooops. No thanks. It IS possible to train yourself to never shoot the gun empty (it takes dedicated effort but it can be done). I also think having a gun that can auto eject a magazine whenever it wants is a very bad idea. But then I can't stand a car or truck with an automatic transmission either. I guess I must be a control freak.
    Last edited: Nov 9, 2012
  12. MTMilitiaman

    MTMilitiaman Well-Known Member


    I don't see how you'd do it reliably and even if you could, it seems like a good way to lose mags. Magazines can get expensive at $25 to $50 a peice. Sure the speed reloads without retention look flashy, but most of us are better off practicing tactical reloads with retention. And even when I want to do a speed reload without retention, it's not dropping the magazine that is a problem, it's getting a new magazine up and in place. Give me a pistol that never runs out of ammo...
  13. Ehtereon11B

    Ehtereon11B internet infantryman

    The M1 Garand automatically popped out the clip when it was done. Turns out the Nazis and Japanese got used to hearing that pin and took the opprotunity to pick off the guy on empty. No thanks, I can drop my own mag.
  14. Hondo 60

    Hondo 60 Well-Known Member

    I would NOT prefer it to drop the mag automatically.

    I think it would be good for faster reloading for competition events or defensive situations.

    But think of the dirt that would get inside the mag when plinking or non-competition shooting.
  15. Skribs

    Skribs Well-Known Member

    I'm with most of the others in this thread. I personally like when stuff is done automatically for me. All my pistols have no manual safety, for example. Still, I would want to be in control of the magazine release.
  16. Double Naught Spy

    Double Naught Spy Sus Venator

    I can see this going either way. I have watched lots of shooters not realize their guns were locked back on empty and tried to keep firing as well.

    Like not locking back on empty? It is the same sort of feature in that regard.

    My problem with it is any grip on the gun that would interfere with the drop. Also, it isn't likely to drop free (unless spring loaded) when sideways or inverted. Regular mags don't either, of course.

    Like psyopspec said, it might be fun to play with. Might be cool. Might be really terrible.
  17. W.E.G.

    W.E.G. Well-Known Member

    Absolutely not.
  18. 45_auto

    45_auto Well-Known Member

    Those same shooters would also try to keep firing with the gun locked back and the mag automatically dropped.

    If you're doing your mag changes correctly, the auto-drop won't save you any time. Your strong hand should be pressing the mag release while your off-hand is going for the new mag. I've never seen anyone doing it correctly who had to wait for a mag to drop, they're always long gone before you can get the fresh one off your belt and up to the gun.

    In my opinion, an automatic mag drop would be more aggravating than a magazine safety, and I won't have a gun with one of those.
  19. barnbwt

    barnbwt Well-Known Member

    Honestly, if you combined that with a SA/DA trigger and trigger or grip safety, you've got about the simplest manual of arms imaginable. From that perspective, it's a very cool idea:

    -No manual safety/decocker
    -No manual slide lever/release
    -No external hammer
    -Manual ammunition replenishment
    -Manual trigger

    Don't get much simpler than that (though it's not everyone's cup of tea). Also makes you think twice about all the controls on modern pistols these days; they're getting to be like Xbox controllers. Maybe KISS is a better idea :scrutiny:

    I'm glad the OP asked this in both the rifle and pistol forums. It's an okay idea maybe for a 5-8 round rifle mag, but basically untenable for anything bigger than that. Which makes it uniquely suited to pistols. Properly maintained and designed, there's no reason it wouldn't be as reliable as an extractor (it's a spring, a catch, and a pivot for Pete's sake :rolleyes:)

    The real question is whether people want their mags on the ground that much. If you can find a way to make them cheaply, disposable, or use someone else's cheap mags, the idea has much better potential.

  20. Fishslayer

    Fishslayer Well-Known Member

    Think magazine bouncing off of concrete or going into the dirt every time it goes empty...

    I've seen magazines bounce so far in front of the line wa almost had to call cease fire so the guy could go get it. :D

    I would say no to auto eject.

Share This Page